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I know that many of you have had very good experiences with Dog Parks and I am very glad that this is the case!!! I also know that there seems to be more and more stories surfacing on DK about dogs and puppies being attacked and/or injured in public dog parks. We have also had some stories of the same thing happening in private dog parks.
I think it is good to keep this subject in the forefront on DK as more first time dog owners and new doodle owners join our group.
This article makes some very good points. The author obviously is not in favor of these parks and I am mainly just posting this to raise awareness about Dog Parks and their possible hazards so that each of us can make an informed decision as to whether or not we want to take our Doodles to one.
Any additional input is appreciated! Let's keep our doodles safe!!!
S. Greene
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I love dogs. Big dogs, small dogs, compliant dogs and dogs that don't give a hoot about pleasing anyone but themselves all share a place in my heart.
I love parks. Whether the majestic Tetons in Wyoming or the rugged beauty of the Grand Canyon, parks are special. I even like the corner tot lot - it is a great place for puppy socialization.
I love walking dogs in parks. Whether hiking a wilderness area in the high Sonoran Desert or enjoying an impromptu conversation with a child, going with a canine simply makes the trip better.
Yet, I am against Dog Parks. I am not in favor of fenced urban grasslands where numbers of strange dogs are brought to frolic in unleashed bliss. This is especially true when people are oblivious to their dogs' actions, in particular, and totally clueless about canine behavior, in general. With few exceptions, owners of both pet and working dogs should avoid Dog Parks like the plague.
Manure doesn't move out of your way; you must step over or around it. There are enough problems with training and socializing dogs. Without looking for them, some are bound to find their way to your door. No need to invite them in. When you come upon a situation that may land you in deep doo-doo, like a Dog Park, use common sense - avoid it.
I have yet to see a Dog Park that posts a sign: "No one under 21 weeks admitted." No puppy belongs at a Dog Park. A pup's immune system is immature and cannot physiologically be expected to repel a full frontal assault. Bringing a pup into a Dog Park is playing Russian roulette with its life. Yes, socialization is important. But, you can't train a dog that is either severely brain damaged or dead.
Even when your pup is older, or if you have a dog that is fully immunized, going to a Dog Park is very risky business. Who in the park is shedding Parvo virus or leaving giardia infested stools? Which dog was just exposed to kennel cough? Want to share fleas or ear mites? Is that a hot spot or ringworm on the pooch walking by?
Dog Parks actively facilitate the exchange of contagious diseases and parasites.
Dogs learn from other dogs. Are you willing to have your dog mimic these behaviors? In an ideal world, only highly social dogs with stable temperaments that are under voice control of their handlers would be found at Dog Parks. The world is not ideal.
To me, utilizing a Dog Park for socialization makes as much sense as using a stick of dynamite to light a cigar. Not only will you not get what you want, you may get results you couldn't imagine - even in your worst nightmare. And, you may have a big cleanup after the smoke clears, plus a scar or two.
If any trainer advises you to take a shy dog to the Dog Park and let it learn to play - get another trainer. If any trainer tells you to take an aggressive dog to the Dog Park where it will meet dogs that are even more aggressive to put it in its place - stop payment on your check. If any trainer suggests you take a fearful dog to a Dog Park for total immersion with strange dogs, new people and a variety of situations - cover your ears. And, should a trainer say that you have a really nice dog with good temperament and balanced drives - keep it that way. Don't risk training or socializing at the local Dog Park.
A Dog Park is not the appropriate venue for your canine companion to either learn obedience commands or practice socialization skills. That must take place under controlled conditions.
Many control issues come into play the minute you open the Dog Park gate. Even if your dog is Lassie and fully obedient at all times, things inside a Dog Park are not under your control.
You cannot control who comes through the gate. Despite posted rules and regulations, you cannot direct the behavior of other dog owners. You may ask others to watch their dog more closely, but what if they don't? And, what if they take offense at your request?
Many Dog Parks are divided into two specific areas: one for dogs over 50 pounds and one for smaller pets. Ever seen a forty-nine pound dog shake a MinPin? When there is one owner for both a toy poodle and a Great Dane, which area will they use? Will you be happy with that owner's choice?
You enter the Dog Park with an aging pet and find several mud slicks. Will your dog be able to maintain adequate footing with puppies jumping up or other dogs playing chase? Slick footing is dangerous for pups' joint development, as well as for senior dogs.
Is there a gap in the fencing? Are there holes beneath it where another dog tried to escape? Is poison oak growing up a tree? Why did the groundskeeper leave a length of barbed wire inside the fence and how many dogs will try to chew or fetch it?
NOTHING is under your control at a Dog Park - not the people, their dogs or the physical environment.
If you believe your pup has issues socializing with other animals or people, ask a competent trainer for help.
I watched a man bring packages of "mystery" meat into a local Dog Park, offering hunks the size of my fist to any dog close enough to take them. There were eight dogs present and only one pet owner succeeded in getting to their dog before it ate at least some of the meat. I prayed the man was a generous butcher and not mentally unbalanced or cruel.
A friend watched a woman place the contents of two bags of dog bones into a huge pile and then call ALL the dogs in the Dog Park to come for "treat time." Isn't that a new and interesting way to test dominance, aggression and food guarding?
One man's meat is another man's poison. Some dogs share food; other's fight for possession. What risks are you willing to take?
The only authority you have is the ability to take your dog and leave the Dog Park. But what happens if your exit is blocked by any of the first four on my list?
Each outing with your pet should be pre-planned. Not only does this mean taking the necessities, such as fresh water and a leash, it also means having a training plan and setting goals. Perhaps your visit to the park will be aimed at walking on a different surface. Maybe a trip to the tennis court is really a better opportunity to try off-leash obedience in a fenced area.
Setting the stage means deciding what steps you will take to make certain you and your dog reach a specific training goal. The more controlled your environment and the better prepared you are, the less likely you are to need remediation. It is much easier to set your dog up for training success than it is to try and fix a problem that you never saw coming.
A Dog Park cannot meet my criteria as a safe place for dogs to play or learn. There are too many risk factors working against a good training or socialization plan.
To set your dog up for success, you must have control of the training stage. This can't happen at a Dog Park.
A neighbor takes her high-energy miniature poodle to the Dog Park so that it may use those facilities, rather than her yard, for digging. As the dog dug its umpteenth hole, a woman approached my neighbor and politely asked her to remove the dog and replace the dirt. My neighbor said: "I won't leave and you can't make me." As the woman turned to avoid escalating the confrontation, she fell - - in one of the freshly dug holes - - and broke her ankle. My neighbor paid her medical bills and sent flowers, too.
A good friend took her Shiloh Shepherd to the local Dog Park early on a Monday morning. The usual weekend crowd was absent and several senior citizens were visiting with their pets. My friend took her dog off leash and slowly walked to the back of the park where she'd spotted an empty bench. As she sat down, she noticed her dog - - OUTSIDE the fence and immediately commanded DOWN-STAY. Then, my gal-pal proceeded to climb the fence and help others call their dogs. Someone failed to secure the gate and it was the owners who were securely INSIDE the Dog Park, while their pets were running free.
I haven't told you about the 160-pound Mastiff rescue brought to the Dog Park by new owner on his way home from the shelter. What about the 3 Dobermans that were dropped off at the Dog Park while their owner drove down the block to pick up his girlfriend after work?
Friends would accuse me of undue prejudice if I failed to mention times when a Dog Park may work:
Set you and your dog up for training success, not failure. Be smart. Be safe. Be in control.
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Eric you raise an interesting question about what options urban dog owners have in regard to socializing their dogs. There is a whole other side to this issue that I have never seen discussed on DK although it might have been at some time. That is: Is it even necessary to "socialize" your dog? I know of at least ONE prominent breeder/trainer who believes it is all bunk. That dogs are pack animals and our families are our dogs pack. That it is not normal to expect a dog from one pack to go "play" with a dog in another pack. He says you would never see such a thing happen in the wild. And although our dogs are domesticated they still have a strong pack mentality. So is it our dogs who enjoy the parks or do WE enjoy taking them because WE think they need to do this? When in reality it just overstimulates and unbalances them? He feels that we should be able to have our dogs with us in any given situation and they will not be aggressive with other dogs because WE have control of them. Not because they have learned to love every dog in the world! LOL!
I think the article above in some way leads into this idea. This is probably a topic for another discussion! I would be interested in hearing others thoughts on it.
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R&T I definitely see what you are saying, and I probably agree more with the prominent breeder/trainer you mentioned. I am more concerned with the Dog getting good exercise, and fresh air, and the joy of running, not making "friends" with other Dogs, or socializing. That is what I meant about where do urban people go to run their Dogs? I would want my Dogs to get along with other Dogs, but believe this is more due to Breeding, and Bonding and Training with their owner than from being dragged into pens full of Dogs that are usually not under any control by their owners. What choices other than dog parks do these urban owners have to really exercise a Dog? I think the only really needed "socializing" is in the dog's first eight to twelve weeks, and that is why it is important to get a Dog from a good Breeder. I also think that exercise is very important to a Dog, and in a rural area like where I am, not only the Dog, but the owner can also enjoy a good hike, and get a lot more exercise than standing in a large "cage" and watching your Dog run in circles with other Dogs. I totally agree with the Pack theory, and our families are our packs, and we need to be the Pack Leaders.
It's important for us to clarify that "socialization" for dogs really has nothing to do with spending time with other dogs; the meaning of socialization as it applies to dogs is not the same as it for humans. It doesn't mean getting together with friends, like it does for us. When we talk about socializing a dog, it means exposing the dog to human society...all different kinds of places, people, sounds, sights, etc., so that the dog can live comfortably in our world. Dogs need to be able to get along with other dogs in the sense that they need to be able to go where there are other dogs and not react to them negatively, get along amicably at the vet's office, groomer, out on the street, etc. But they do not have to play with other dogs. A very well-socialized dog may have no interest in playing with or associating with other dogs, and most adult dogs do not need that. JD does not play with other dogs. When he sees dogs he knows and likes, he greets them very enthusiastically, roughhouses with them for about 2 minutes, and then looks for a human to throw a ball for him.
The issue of getting offleash exercise should be separte from the idea of socializing with other dogs. For urban dogs, a dog park might be one way to get some much needed exercise. But no adult dog really needs to be playing with other dogs to be a happy, well-balanced and well-adjusted dog.
I agree with Karen's explanation as well. And I think that there is some misunderstanding in some dog owners minds about this concept and that is how we end up with Dog Parks that become as described in the article.
As for urban owners, it may be the case that their dogs will never be in an off leash situation. Most cities have parks and many allow dogs on leash. So the dog could still get plenty of on leash exercise. A wise dog owner would factor this into the decision of what breed of dog would be appropriate for their lifestyle but I don't see much of that wisdom either. I recall an episode on the Dog Whisperer which took place in a large city , I believe it was N.Y. The antagonist of the dog that Cesar was working with was a large Akita who was completely out of control. He was so overexcited that he would turn on his owners if he couldn't get to the dog he wanted to attack. The dog appeared to be full of pent up energy that needed to be released. It didn't seem that it was the best choice of breed for these people in that situation. So we end up back with owners needing to make wiser decisions again!!
Amen.
I agree completely with that wonderful OTT article. I brought Riley once and count myself lucky that the experience passed off peacefully. When I thought about it later I realized the potential hazards definitely outweigh the plus factors. NIce idea though... Now I have found a fabulous Day Care. it is a 30 minute drive but there was a proper assesment. Scrupulous examination of Riley's vet records and a fully qualified trainer as well as three more staff on hand. They decided that Riley could join and would benefit based on their observations and told me that they have to turn down more that 50% of the dogs as they were not suitable!
The free for all Dog Park just gives me the heeby jeebies now even thinking about it.
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