F1B Goldendoodle vs. F1 Goldendoodle

[Rehfield]

Hi, we are going to visit a breeder in Bealeton, VA on Saturday to consider an F1B goldendoodle but are also considering an F1 goldendoodle from another local breeder in VA.  We are thinking the F1B is the way to go as shedding is a concern for us but really want to keep more of the golden look and are struggling with our decision.  According to the breeder the F1B has more of a wavy coat and should look similar to an F1 with the benefit of the non-shed.  The breeder is Frank Reinhardt if anyone has purchased a dog from them. We have not visited him yet but he sounds honest and says all the right things on the phone but you never know. We are requesting references now of our doodle families. Anything thoughts on these would be appreciated!

[Adina P]

As long as the 'health information' is equal to health testing on the parent dogs like hip clearances, eye clearances, vwd clearance and any DNA testing.  In other words as long as the health details are not just annual vet visits.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Right. Genetic health testing does not mean they visit the vet and have all their shots. It means that they have had expensive testing to be sure they are not carriers of serious genetic diseases that could be passed on the puppies, even though the parents appear to be fine. It doesn't have to do with website disclosure, it has to do with the fact that breeders who do genetic health testing on their dogs are proud of that and let people know that. If you're going to say "family owned and operated, family raised, 20 years experience" etc, the only reason not to say "all of our dogs have undergone genetic health testing" is because they haven't.

The prices for all doodle puppies, including those from puppy mills, may be all over the place, but the prices for doodle puppies from reputable breeders who do genetic health testing are pretty consistent across the board, regardless of the location. And they are higher because the testing is expensive.

[deanna silver]

I had an F1 labradoodle that I lost in July. : ( We just got a new pup and went through the same thing. I love the F1 look but my girl did shed. Little fuzz all over the house. We got an F1b curly coat this time around. I dont think she will shed at all. She is 75% poodle so she does resemble the poodle more.  They do vary a lot. Whichever way you go just tell the breeder you prefer the golden look more. They cannot tell for sure but I am sure they have a good idea as to what the pups size & appearance may be. Take a look at the parents too. Both of my girls were from a breeder in VA.This is what my ghira's coat looked like at 2 weeks. She is quite curly now. No signs of shedding.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

I did a little digging, and it appears this may be a large commercial breede, breeding several breeds under several different names. The kennel may be offsite, there may be more than one location..

Notice the phone number is the same:

http://www.canecorsosecurities.com/directions.html

http://www.doodledogpups.com/contact.html

Look up Teets Kennel.

 

 

 

 

 

[Rehfield]

thanks again for the thoughts. i will check it out.

[Star and Goldie]

The information that Karen posted is absolutely a huge red flag. When things like that pop up you really have to take your personal opinion of the breeder out and look at the facts. Sure, they may be incredibly nice, wonderful people and sure they produce beautiful pups but facts are facts and without having the proper (expensive) genetic testing you could end up falling in love with a puppy who may have a short life due to genetic diseases. I knew a lady who bought a doodle from a similar situation (including the 'cover' where they post under multiple names). Her doodle was amazing but sadly by the age of 3 he had already gone completely blind- something that could have been avoided with the testing.

In my opinion, $1200 is very low considering the cost these reputable breeders put in to the testing. And like Karen said, when they do that testing they are proud of it and it's one of the first things you'll know whether it be on a website or the very first thing they tell you if they dont have a website.

I did extensive research when looking for my breeder- months and months of it. I never saw a puppy sold for less than $1800 at any of the numerous breeders I looked at that did the complete genetic testing. Be careful, and don't accept them verbally saying they do it- GET PROOF and not just vet records, actual clearances.

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

Not a good sign at all. Why don't some of these places registrar as a Manufacturing Business?
Good grief. So many scams

[Allyson, Peri & Taquito]

I recommend you stay away.

And read our links provided earlier (what to look for in a breeder, etc..).

If you can physically go to the breeder's house and check it out, that's best.  People always say the right things...they have a business to run and there is money to be made.

Good luck and welcome to DK!

[Rehfield]

Thanks for all the advice and information.

[Jill, Woody & Maxi]

Wow..that is kind of odd that he is breeding under a different kennel name. Great research Karen!

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

Not odd at all. It's called a cover, and is done often!

[Nicky, Riley & Boris]

The answer is definitely to go with the most reputable breeder based on the guidelines here rather than be concerned about F1b as opposed to F1.  There are so many heart wrenching posts here from people who purchased without doing the proper homework and the check list regarding genetic testing and health guarantees are paramount.  The best guarantees are the ones where breeders will pay Vet bills (and they can be horrendous) if any problems crop up within two years of purchase.  The ones that offer a replacement puppy are pretty useless as the minute you take the puppy home you will fall in love and won't want to give it up.  All the advice here is totally independent and based on years of experience.  Good luck with your new puppy when you get him or her.