Multigen??? I'm confused!

[Kate]

What is the difference between Multigen and say F1b or F3, etc.?

 

I am starting to get confused...please help! :-)

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

Multigenerational is when labradoodle is bred to labradoodle.  You don't get much stability in their traits though until about the 4th generation.  With a second and third generation of labradoodle to labradoodle, you can genetically get a dog that looks much like the original retriever or poodle.  F1B is when the doodle is crossed back to a poodle or retriever.  If crossed back to a poodle, technically they have more poodle in them and if crossed back to a retriever, they have more retriever in them.  Most F1b crossings are doodle to poodle.

There are also some pairings of labradoodle to goldendoodle.

[Angie, Hudson and Lily]

 They are called Double Doodles or North American Retrievers.

[Deanna & Desi & Cori]

I'm liking Golabradoodle - it has a ring to it that "Double Doodle" just doesn't have :)

[Kate]

That would be a really cute name! :-)

[Kate]

They are Goldendoodles, and the mother is a poodle. So that is a Goldendoodle of a Goldendoodle bred back to a poodle?

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

A goldendoodle bred back to a poodle is probably an F1b which means the first generation (poodle to golden retriever) baby (called and F1) grew up and was bred back to a poodle and those puppies are called F1b. There aren't a lot of multigenerational goldendoodles.

[Kate]

It looks like both litters that I have my eye on are multigenerational goldendoodles, but both mothers are poodles. ??? :-)

[Adina P]

F3 and up = multigen.  

[Kate]

What is an F3? A goldendoodle to a goldendoodle 3 times? This sounds like algebra! Goldendoodle to the 3rd power...

[Adina P]

Each generation can only earn a number higher than the lowest generation in the breeding. So, for example:

F1 + F1 = F2

F1 + F2 = F2

F1 + F1b = F2

F1 + F100 = F2

They products of all those combos are all F2's because an F1 was involved and the puppies can only be considered one generation higher than the lowest generation in the breeding (F1 in this case).

 

An F3 would be an F2 bred to an F2 or higher generation. 

To me, since I prefer F1's, the only thing F3 and higher tells me is that they are a multigenerational doodle that is past the F1b or F2 stage.  Really at that point, as a buyer, all I'd care about is what the parents were, what they looked like, what the pups are expected to be like (perhaps from past litter examples). 

[Jennifer,Chloe & Myla]

Isn't it crazy?? We just couldn't get the concept the more we learned the more we were confused, we did find a few websites that explained the backgrounds of the goldendoodles/labradoodles. Just do a search on the internet and also a lot of the breeder sites will have this info also. Good luck!

[Adina P]

Once you get into F3 and higher I don't think the generation matters as much as the parentage and what is expected in the litter (size, coat, temperament).