Studding.

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

So, we know there both two young yet, but they don't act it (humpin little buggers, espcially Louie!) 

Because of there gorgeous coats, unique colours and amazing personalities we was thinking of studding Louie & Dougal later on.

Does anyone know what age they have to be to be able to stud them? 

Also, the main reason is because we really want another puppy, but my mum said she will only get one if Louie & Dougal stud, and the puppy is extra cute (which it will be) and it'll be a fun, different experience as we've never studded a dog or anything before.

Thanks for your help :) 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Sarah, breeding dogs from reputable breeders are sold on a breeding contract. Did you purchase your dogs on breeding contracts? If so, your breeder would be the best person to advise you on this. I can tell you that they have to be two years old to have genetic health testing done, and of course, it would be beyond irresponsible to breed any dog without testing for the common genetic diseases. Most reputable breeders also have a spay/neuter clause in their contracts, and no reputable breeder would use a stud dog that had not undergone the necessary testing.. 

I will also say that living with not just one but two intact males is not something I would ever consider doing for any reason. 

We have had many discussions here about these issues. Breeding is not something to be entered into lightly or for "fun". It is best left to the experts. The great majority of us here do not look favorably upon casual breeding of pet dogs, and more than 99% of them have been desexed. This is a hot button issue for many of us. What would happen if all 14,000 members of DK decided to breed their dogs because they are cute beautiful, have amazing personalities, we want another puppy, or for a "fun" experience? 

At any rate, breeding issues are not permitted here in the main forum, as per the DK Guidelines. I strongly suggest you talk to some reputable breeders about this idea. 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

Yes we purchased them both from breeders.

Okay thanks. 

We just thought because they're dads were both Stud dogs, and Dougal was the old lad in his litter was considering it. 

We've not said anything for definite as we know they are both far to young yet, it was just a topic we have brought up on our house. Thats all.

I didn't realise you had to be a professional breeder to stud your dog. 

Thanks for the info though. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Sarah, if I put 20 kennels in my garage and produce litters of puppies for sale, I am a "breeder". Not a very good or reputable breeder, and certainly not one from whom anyone I know would want a puppy, but the word "breeder" could be applied to me. 

Likewise, a "stud dog" is a male dog used to sire a litter. Every dog's dad was a "stud dog". That doesn't mean anything. A dog could be carrying a recessive gene for any number of genetic diseases and still father a litter. 

My dog was bred and born in a puppy mill. He has two different inherited genetic diseases and other physical problems caused by structural defects. His dad was a "stud dog". 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

No i mean Dougals dad has been used for a stud dog to other litters, not just his one, obviously if its had puppies it is a stud. But i mean they use him for other litters not just Dougals. 

And i think your taking this out of context, i'm not saying i wouldn't do all the test and be responsible about it at all!! We would obviously do all the test needed, or nobody would use our dogs anyways. Thanks.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Using a dog to sire multiple litters still doesn't mean anything. Puppy mills use the same stud dog to sire hundreds of litters. 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

I didn't say it does mean anything, i was simply pointing out that what his dad did, and as Dougal was the only boy in his litter with there family dog, they explained how they would love us to stud Dougal. 

I haven't mentioned anything about using 20 kennel in my back garden, not being ethical, not paying for the right cost, because i would. but you just jumped to conclusion saying i wouldn't, when quite frankly, you haven't a clue :) Thank for the help though! *thumbs up* 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

This is what most of us want in a breeder: http://www.doodlekisses.com/notes/What_To_Look_for_In_a_Breeder

Please read it and consider if you can meet these criteria. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Please read this discussion from another member who had the same idea you have. I think it will give you a LOT of information and a LOT to think about. There are also links to past discussions on the same topic.

http://www.doodlekisses.com/forum/topics/to-neuter-or-not-to-neuter...

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

Is this the same to stud a dog, as it is for breeding because i know alot more work ECT going into breeding, but if your dog is the stud, does that have the same commitments and problems ECT? thanks. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

It has nothing to do with the work, it is about ethics. It is simply not responsible to breed dogs from untested parents, IMO. And the only person who would consider using your untested studs would be owners of untested females. 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

I am not saying i wouldnt test Louie and Dougal, obviously i would. Both there parents/grandparents were all tested, and i have the family tree of both of them. 

And again, i am not saying i would put 20 kennels up in my garden and breed dogs? I am just asking about studding my dogs. That is all. Never would i put kennels up in my garden or breed irresponsibly!! I was just asking for some advice on studding my dogs. 

[Adina P]

Are you saying that your breeder, who fully tested your pups' parents, has given you permission to stud out both of your pups?