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THINK POODLES ARE TOO "FROO-FROO"?-THESE DOGS ARE NOT LABRADOODLES!-BUT YOU COULD HAVE FOOLED ME!-ALL OF YOU SHOULD READ THIS
Think Poodles are too "froo froo"?
These dogs are STANDARD POODLES
This is an example of a poodle breeder who cares about the health, welfare and lines of their dogs. All puppies are health tested and raised IN THE HOME. All puppies have at least a 10 GENERATION PEDIGREE.
Read what this breeder says about Doodle Breeding Programs
QUESTION: Why are we not breeding our Poodles to Labs or Golden Retrievers?
"As owners of Standard Poodles we at one time considered breeding Labradoodles. We had heard some pretty fantastic claims about the Labradoodles. Fortunately we found out the truth. Here are six common misconceptions:"
1. They don't shed and are allergy friendly.
Fact: Most Lab X Standard Poodles will shed (about 1 in every litter will not shed).Most will aggravate allergies. It takes multi-generational breeding to breeding that reduce the allergy. This means most Lab X Poodle will shed and aggravate allergies and asthma like any other dog may.
A note about shedding:
There is no way to know for sure if a cross-bred pup will not shed until it gets its adult coat (between 12-18 months old). Some pups appear not to shed until the adult coat comes in.
2. They are easier to train than a Lab.
Fact: Due to the crossing of two different breeds there can be absolutely no guarantee a cross-bred pup will inherit the easy to train Standard Poodle personality.
It could inherit the Lab train ability.... which is not a bad thing... Labs are not stupid! But it typically takes more repetitions to train a Lab.
3. Lower maintenance breed! I will not have to cut the non-shedding coat!
Fact: The non-shedding coat needs to be cut 3-4 times a year. (Same as a Poodle) Regular brushing is a must or the dog will get matts and matts can be a breeding ground for parasites! (same as a Poodle) As well all ear hair must be plucked so the ears won't get infected - (same as a Poodle.)
4. They are the latest fad! A new breed!
Fact: YES they are the latest fad! Unfortunately that means once they are no longer a fad there will be many homeless pups in animal shelters. This has already begun in the USA and Australia. Many of these new 'designer dogs' are available at a
discount prices at animal shelters. They are not a new breed yet! The Labradoodle (or Goldendoodle) will not be considered a new breed genetically speaking until breeding two Labradoodles together will produce off spring which all look and act similar to all Labradoodles. A breeding must produce the same type (phenotype) and only that type
generation after generation. This is also called breeding true or having a stabilized breed.
5. They are cute!
Fact: The curly haired Labradoodle looks as he does because his hair is cut into the 'Labradoodle' cut. (Anyone with a quality pair of clippers and a bit of time can learn to clip ANY curly dog into the same cut! This is not rocket science!) The thing to remember is ALL puppies are cute. No one can tell what a cross-breed will look like when it is an adult! Remember most of the dogs life will be spent as an adult. That cute puppy stage only lasts for a few MONTHS
6. They will be healthier because they are not inbred like purebred dogs.
Fact: Not all Pure-Bred dogs are inbred. Our Poodles are not inbred! Pure Bred Standard Poodles are statistically the healthiest and longest lived breed of dog.
There is a misconception that by breeding two different breeds together you will produce a healthier dog. Unfortunately this is not true. A Labradoodle can get the genetic problems common in BOTH breeds instead of just one.
One mis-informed Labradoodle breeder wrote:
"90% of all dog genetic health problems are recessive. This means that in order for a puppy to have the health problem, both parents must carry it. By breeding two dogs of different breeds, without similar health problems, we are breeding puppies with far less health problems! Crossbred dogs have far less health problems, (hybrid vigor)."
Using this theory the Lab should hot be bred to the Standard Poodle because they share most of the same health issues! Obviously this breeder did not do their genetic research.
The bottom line is both purebred and cross-bred dogs are susceptible to potential health problems. The best way to reduce the risk of health problems is to not inbreed, health test breeding stock and MOST importantly make sure your breeder does extensive 10 generation pedigree research."
These dogs are STANDARD POODLES
This is an example of a poodle breeder who cares about the health, welfare and lines of their dogs. All puppies are health tested and raised IN THE HOME. All puppies have at least a 10 GENERATION PEDIGREE.
Read what this breeder says about Doodle Breeding Programs
QUESTION: Why are we not breeding our Poodles to Labs or Golden Retrievers?
"As owners of Standard Poodles we at one time considered breeding Labradoodles. We had heard some pretty fantastic claims about the Labradoodles. Fortunately we found out the truth. Here are six common misconceptions:"
1. They don't shed and are allergy friendly.
Fact: Most Lab X Standard Poodles will shed (about 1 in every litter will not shed).Most will aggravate allergies. It takes multi-generational breeding to breeding that reduce the allergy. This means most Lab X Poodle will shed and aggravate allergies and asthma like any other dog may.
A note about shedding:
There is no way to know for sure if a cross-bred pup will not shed until it gets its adult coat (between 12-18 months old). Some pups appear not to shed until the adult coat comes in.
2. They are easier to train than a Lab.
Fact: Due to the crossing of two different breeds there can be absolutely no guarantee a cross-bred pup will inherit the easy to train Standard Poodle personality.
It could inherit the Lab train ability.... which is not a bad thing... Labs are not stupid! But it typically takes more repetitions to train a Lab.
3. Lower maintenance breed! I will not have to cut the non-shedding coat!
Fact: The non-shedding coat needs to be cut 3-4 times a year. (Same as a Poodle) Regular brushing is a must or the dog will get matts and matts can be a breeding ground for parasites! (same as a Poodle) As well all ear hair must be plucked so the ears won't get infected - (same as a Poodle.)
4. They are the latest fad! A new breed!
Fact: YES they are the latest fad! Unfortunately that means once they are no longer a fad there will be many homeless pups in animal shelters. This has already begun in the USA and Australia. Many of these new 'designer dogs' are available at a
discount prices at animal shelters. They are not a new breed yet! The Labradoodle (or Goldendoodle) will not be considered a new breed genetically speaking until breeding two Labradoodles together will produce off spring which all look and act similar to all Labradoodles. A breeding must produce the same type (phenotype) and only that type
generation after generation. This is also called breeding true or having a stabilized breed.
5. They are cute!
Fact: The curly haired Labradoodle looks as he does because his hair is cut into the 'Labradoodle' cut. (Anyone with a quality pair of clippers and a bit of time can learn to clip ANY curly dog into the same cut! This is not rocket science!) The thing to remember is ALL puppies are cute. No one can tell what a cross-breed will look like when it is an adult! Remember most of the dogs life will be spent as an adult. That cute puppy stage only lasts for a few MONTHS
6. They will be healthier because they are not inbred like purebred dogs.
Fact: Not all Pure-Bred dogs are inbred. Our Poodles are not inbred! Pure Bred Standard Poodles are statistically the healthiest and longest lived breed of dog.
There is a misconception that by breeding two different breeds together you will produce a healthier dog. Unfortunately this is not true. A Labradoodle can get the genetic problems common in BOTH breeds instead of just one.
One mis-informed Labradoodle breeder wrote:
"90% of all dog genetic health problems are recessive. This means that in order for a puppy to have the health problem, both parents must carry it. By breeding two dogs of different breeds, without similar health problems, we are breeding puppies with far less health problems! Crossbred dogs have far less health problems, (hybrid vigor)."
Using this theory the Lab should hot be bred to the Standard Poodle because they share most of the same health issues! Obviously this breeder did not do their genetic research.
The bottom line is both purebred and cross-bred dogs are susceptible to potential health problems. The best way to reduce the risk of health problems is to not inbreed, health test breeding stock and MOST importantly make sure your breeder does extensive 10 generation pedigree research."
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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No info on health testing, no photos or pedigrees on parents, and the price is very low. I would be very suspicious of this one. The best poodle breeders do not advertise on kijiji or any kind of multi listings, and in fact, they don't mention price at all. With poodles, you absolutely have to be 100% certain of the bloodlines.
This is where my next dog may come from. In fact, they have 9 puppies right now...6 blue and 3 silver. I am very tempted. Do not let the show clips on the parent dogs put you off. This is a breeder.
http://avalonpoodles.tripod.com/
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Permalink Reply by LuvMyAbby&Kaela on
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I am not in the market this present moment - but you can always ask. They do have a link to their web site on the ad.
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We have a lot of earthy granola types in this area. They wont charge an arm and a leg.
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I did check the website, for the health testing info.
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Are you SURE you're not in the market?
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But Reg, if you want a Canadian breeder of red standards, there is really only one place to go:
http://www.lumierestandardpoodles.com/
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No...I am a window shopper. I have a cynical nay-sayer of a husband who thinks I am irrational to even ever want another puppy LOL! I will have to sigh and be demure and be happy with what I already have! Or I can always wrestle him to the ground kneel on his shoulders and pour hot sauce down his throat! But he is much bigger than me so back to the window shopping ;o)~
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While we are on the subject why oh whhy do they insist on shaving their snouts?!!!?
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I know, I hate it. My last puppy, they even got her eyelashes. I think they do it so they can see if they have a show dog before they sell it to you as a pet, lol.
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Permalink Reply by Jacquie Yorke (DRC) on
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I hate that too..and docked tails...
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Its part of their bad rap of being froo-froo. The natural poodle is a beautiful gorgeous dog. Cesar Milan has one in his pack! I didnt even know it was a poodle til one day in a show he mentioned it. And I can tell you why - because I was thinking a poodle is the stereotypical shaved snout and docked tail. I think it totally detracts from the looks of these beautiful dogs. (I know it started because they were originally bred as duckers and being water dogs they shaved the hair off everywhere except the joints and places prone to heat loss.) But these arent those times...! Poodle breeders stop docking tails and shaving snouts! More people will come!
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