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[Billy Woody]

Thanks to all the supporters. 

Billy

[Jennifer and Jack]

Thanks I am headed there now to read.. It was so stupid really.. My mom had waited until I was well enough to take Molly to the ocean for the first time.. We had all these grandiose plans and dreams of what it would be like. Molly drank the ocean water and got explosive diarrhea and vomited everywhere. Jack was chasing bikes.. but I wanted to give my mom the experience she wanted and I for some dumb reason brought my good camera.  As soon as I opened the lens cover.. Mollys soaking wet, sand leash rubbed against it..

This was the first disagreement I had with my mom in a long time, We both looked at each other and said we are never doing this again...sand everywhere, ruined camera, diarrhea and vomit and then we had to go home and bath the dogs. LOL It sounded so good until we decided to actually do it.

I still can't bring myself to look at the lens because it is a really nice camera that was a gift.. I think I may have to buy a new one....  On my way now

[Gail and Bailey]

Jennifer,  I am glad to read about your beach experience.  I too, have dreams about how perfect it will be if I get a chance to take my dog to the ocean.....but now, I see what the reality could be. LOL  Sorry your camera got ruined...hope you find a new one.

[F, Calla & Luca]

Bring it to a camera repair shop and see what they say.

[Ronna, Murphy & Wilson]

Congratulations..once again, someone in need of help and support, someone reaching out, someone with a puppy/puppies/dog that needs our help has been run off.  This discussion was about saving the lives of two puppies.  Yes, Camilla, you are correct, this forum is just like the real world.  In my real world when someone reaches out to me for help, I help them.  I am so angry I can't even continue to comment.

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

You open a discussion, you get a discussion. I read all the replies and felt the majority were compassionate and many wanted to reach out and help.
It's unfortunate you could not see past a few negative comments and find those many who offered to help.
If you are looking for negative, that's what you'll find. If you were looking for positive you would have found many more of offering help or at least compassion.

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

So well put Joanne!

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Ditto.

[Nicky, Riley & Boris]

If the original post had stated how devastated this breeder was to find that two of his puppies had returned with this awful condition and he was looking for the best advice as to how it may be possible to find homes where their medical needs would be met then the response would have been different.  What was posted was a sales pitch looking for homes for puppies that had a relatively easily managed condition.  As we all know from reading the heartbreaking stories of dogs with the very same condition it was absolutely inevitable that there were some strongly worded replies.  There was also lots of good advice too as is usual here.  

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

Absolutely spot on, Nicky.  What was posted looked like a sales pitch for a condition managed through diet.  And it never came out that surgery might be necessary until late last night.  Then it came out that he had not gotten a complete medical evaluation from his own vet yet. And this morning he makes a comment about putting the puppies down based on his own anger --not medical information.  

He got great support and good advice from many on this site. And even the challenges were (I think) meant to find a solution a first -- but he responded badly.  It could have been different had he approached it as you suggested.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Totally agree, Nicky. The way something is presented completely influences the way it will be perceived. First impressions are everything. And when someone is asking for help, they need to say so in so many words: "I need some help", and explain the situation clearly.  I really do believe the responses would have been different if that had been the case..

 

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

Roberta, thank you for your insight and for sharing your belief that the pups will not be put down out of anger.  That comment made me literally SICK this morning.  I've been watching this post for a day (I only posted once early on to agree with Lisa and F) and as it's gone on, it's been very upsetting though I hope that no one leaves because of it.  As I reread these posts, including my own, I think BIlly got a lot of heartfelt support and advice...and an offer to help financially! He also got  some opinions which he did not want to hear.  He unfortunately chose to only hear those opinions and he also responded with what I feel were some offensive and unwarranted personal insults which escalated the debate. I'm only posting this now because I'm sickened by his final post about the pups and stunned by one basic fact and I think it NEEDS to be said (at least I need to say it so please bear with me):

As a "good breeder" he took the pups back ( a good thing) but then posted those pups BEFORE he had his own vet do a comprehensive medical evaluation on the pups with recommended treatment and a prognosis for each.  Unfortunate things happen to good breeders.  Puppies aren't born perfect no matter how hard we try. I know this as I'm awaiting a medical report right now.  But that was totally irresponsible or inexperienced. He should have known and disclosed whether surgery was indicated from the get-go, whether there were any underlying disease causes, AND to what extent these pups had a chance for a happy life with special care before looking for new homes.    That's what a truly responsible breeder would do.  Mr. Woody did not do this.

If we can hit the "reset" button, maybe Mr. Woody can provide the medical facts for each pup, and if it makes sense to provide medical treatment, count me in!  In the meantime, I'm going to take F's advice and go to the photography group :)-and I'll keep those pups in my prayers.  

 

      

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

"...he also responded with what I feel were some offensive and unwarranted personal insults which escalated the debate"

Exactly. When one is asking for help, they need to bring a little humility along and leave the defensiveness and arrogance at home.