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Anyone had this issue with their puppy's bite?
A few pups in the litter i am raising have one or both lower canine teeth (baby teeth right now) that are growing up and hitting the upper palate instead of going to the OUTSIDE of the upper jaw--I have been told that the puppy teeth that are doing that should be removed and then you hope that the jaw grows wider and the adult teeth are properly placed....has anyone dealt with this in their pup and if so, how did it turn out?
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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The condition is called Base Narrow Canines and there have been quite a few dogs here who had it, most recently Debb's Oscar. Doris's Flash had it as a puppy, too. The info you were given is correct, and it needs to be done ASAP to relieve the puppy's pain, and so that the adult teeth have room to come in correctly. As the adult teeth are coming in, you use a ball and or your fingers to gently push them and encourage them to angle slightly outward. This is usually successful, if you get the baby teeth out soon enough.
http://www.veterinarydentalcenter.com/base.htm
http://wellpets.com/vet-dentistry-base-narrow-mandibular-canine-teeth/
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Permalink Reply by Ginny Nightingale on
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In looking at these photos--I can see why this would be AWFUL for an adult dog--my pups have tiny lower canines and do not have such a big tooth going into the palate--I will have to see as they teeth grow what happens next--and then the new owners have been advised to talk to their own vet to decide on the best course of action. I will tell them about the ball therapy too--couldn't hurt and may help!
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Also, Sharon's Cricket had BNC as a puppy and she is on the list of people with special knowledge on this condition in the Health and Medical Group: http://www.doodlekisses.com/profile/Sharon20
I believe Sharon used ball therapy with Cricket.
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BTW, Ginny, this is genetic.
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Yeah--I figured that it was--we have never paired these two parents and so now we see this cropping up for the first time.
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One breeder in F's link says that it is not genetic--hmmm--hard to know, isn't it? Sure seems like it is...
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And see, my reaction to that is the same as some of those breeders' reactions to the vets advice. They assume that the vet is being dishonest to try to make money. So why would someone not make that same assumption about the breeder who says that something is not genetic? Obviously, there would be a financial motivation in saying that.
If there's a body of scientific research on whether something is genetic or not, I think it's not really that hard to know, at least about health issues.
It's been my experience, dealing with dozens and dozens of dogs with health issues in the three rescues with whom I've been active for 15 years as well as with my own pets for 36 years, that the general population of people who are making their living treating sick animals is far more trustworthy as a group than the general population of people who are making their living selling animals as a group. I am not making that comment about any individual, just a general observation.
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good point--my daughter is a vet remember, so I have to stay on her good side! But I do know that the vet school indoctrinated her about your favorite subject--prescription food and HOW good it is!! I was shocked when she started telling me not to feed anything that hasn't been approved even if it has excellent ingredients--they had her brainwashed! Really!
And of course,everyone has their opinions about all of the different treatments for any ailment and it is often so confusing!
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Yes, I have been an outspoken critic of the nutritional aspects of veterinarians' education, or the lack thereof. I've been critical of many vets treatments of certain things, too. Giardia for one. That's the thing...I'm not prejudiced in favor of vets, lol.
What I am is prejudiced in favor of facts and education.
I just cannot agree that "everyone has their opinions about all of the different treatments for any ailment and it is often so confusing!" Everyone may have an opinion, yes. But it's only confusing if you consider "everyone's opinion" equally valid.
Would you consider the opinion of someone who has never taken a college level course in medical science as being equivalent to that of a professional in that field?
Would you consider the opinion of the vet tech at your vet's office the equivalent of the vet's?
If your child or grandchild was seriously ill, would you let her teacher dictate her treatment? Would you ask her teacher's opinion of the doctor's recommended treatment plan? After all, that teacher deals with hundreds of children, lol. The teacher has years and years of great experience dealing with children, and teacher has turned out some terrific kids.
You get my point. :)
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Yes, you have certainly made it--it is good that there is so much good information on this topic...
By the way, I had one other pup with this condition of a misplaced canine 2 years ago, but it was an upper canine that was heading inside the lower jaw, so a different situation--I just asked her how it went since we need all the info. we can get and didn't hear from her after she was given some money towards removing the tooth. The breeder gladly gave her money--I think $300--to help cover the cost of tooth removal or shortening when the adult tooth came in--her vet was very concerned and told her that would surely be needed. Well, she just told me that they did nothing (!) and that it all worked out --the dog still has a slightly misaligned tooth but "eats fine and has no issues"--isn't that interesting? Again, it was an upper canine, so not exactly the same thing...
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Next time the breeder should pay the money to the vet when the procedure is done, lol.
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so true! i think an invoice from the vet would be sufficient--no wonder we never heard much from this owner...
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