f1b x f1b?

[LuvMyAbby&Kaela]

If both parents are f1b's what does that make the pup?

Also what does litter size mean? Do small litters mean a problem?

[April Cliber]

F1b X F1b = F3

You may find this debatable, but most breeders agree on this. The GANA (Goldendoodle Association of North America) grading scheme also calls a F1b X F1b a F3.

Litter size usually refers to the amount of pups that are in a litter. Small litters are not an indication of a problem. The dog just may not have been bred on the ideal day. Being off by a day or two can decrease the size of a litter significantly. Also, some dogs just have smaller litters.

I hope this helps.

[Nina Vantschip]

I think they are just MultiGeneration.

[LuvMyAbby&Kaela]

I think Nina is correct. you get an A! So if you can figure it out maybe we should just call them A1 doodles.

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

Good Grief! After suffering in advanced math for years, I thought I finally got it right and now I'm told 1 x 1 = 3 No wonder I had to repeat advanced Statistics.

So, b x b = c ? or B squared? How about F2C Doodles? F3B ?

As usual just trying to make silly sense of it all.

P.S. What does F stand for? ( and be clean with your answers )

[Adina P]

F= Filial

Breeders please help me too! I think F1b is considered a form of F2 (or second gen). Since each generation can only advance +1 past the lowest generation...and since an F1b is considered a form of F2 then F2+F2 = F3 -- it's NOT addition.

For me as an owner, my main interest is what were the parents? The name for the resulting cross past F1 and F1b is less important.

[LuvMyAbby&Kaela]

I always just considered F to mean "generation" So F1 is first generation. ( I am an F1)
F1b is a first generation backcross meaning one parent is an F1 and mated with a purebred of one of the same parent breed. (poodle is always the b I think). I think my DH is a cross between and f1b and a total mutt. He calls himself a Heinz 57.

[Adina P]

I'm a purebreed (Romanian). Clark is an F1 (Swedish/Norwegian). So our kids will be pure mutts =)

[LuvMyAbby&Kaela]

What do you think F stands for??? With math like that! LOL

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

WTF? What The Filial? Who The Filial?

Actually I am trying to understand all of this. I hope there is a reasonable explanation.

[Noble Vestal Labradoodles]

April is correct, the pups from this breeding are F3's

F1b actually is an F2. I dont like seeing an F1 called an F2 however because I like to know where the parent breeds are in a pedigree. This means that you might see a jump in a pedigree from F1, F1b to F3. In the perfect world breeders would be breeding F1 to F1 picking the best F2 puppies and moving forward to keep the parent breeds level.

Adina is correct that F means Filial, Latin also meaning son, daughter, child or offspring. In genetics it is used when counting generations.

I dont like the term multigen it is very confusing as some breeders consider their F1b's to be multigens

[Debbie and Thomas]

So, if I am understanding this correctly-our dog is an F1-(mother GR, father Stand. Poodle) Then if two F1's breed, they are F1B. But what if a F1 bred with a Standard Poodle? Just interested.

[LuvMyAbby&Kaela]

No. I think two F1's bred make an F2. If you bred your F1 to a purebred poodle you would get an f1b.