For All You Facebookers.....

[Brittney & Cally]

I just have to vent. We all know FB is not the place to go for information. Why I try still fathoms me but I do so whatever. Someone on FB asked for reputable breeder suggestions, so I suggested two of my favorite and very well know Michigan breeders. They said early socialization, health guarantees, spay and neuter contracts, and health and genetic testing were important to them so that is really the only reason I bothered to answer. I also stated and agreed why those things are so important.

Well here is a prime example for all of you who doubt us when we say do not get your information from FB.

This was someone's response to my answers....

In my humble opinion, getting a pup from a reputable breeder isn't that big of a deal. A Goldendoodle will be a good dog if you, the owner is a good pack leader, provider, and trainer. Let me just say no pups are going to come perfect, you have to train it to the way you like it. You get a dog to train it, not have it trained then delivered to your house .. it takes all the fun away from it ..

While it is good to have health testing, many dogs at young age are not going to show any signs of health issues, they come up later. As for temperament training, I think all doodles have a good temperament, as a new dog owner how do you even measure what good temperament is .. they are puppies, they are going to be playful and jolly, if you went to meet your pup, you would see first hand how good of a temperament they have .. and as for early socialization, that really isn't an issue if YOU do your part on training your dog, puppy socializations and all that, these are all easy ways to get your pup socialized .. why do you need a breeder to help you socialize your dog? It's not like they had bad bad upbringings and they have human or dog aggression .. like dogs that are put in shelters .. Regarding the issue about the breeder requiring a commitment from the owners to spay/neuter all their puppies ... I think that this is not something you should ask of the breeders, the breeders don't spay and neuter their dogs .. why would they ask you to do such a thing, it makes them hypocrites .. Its a really (mind my language) dumb restriction that you put yourself in from finding a good pup.

if you want to find a pup the right way .. you MUST go meet the pup in person, look at his/her personality when you meet .. is he or she calm and submissive? if so, probably a good pup to pick since he/she will be easy to work with.

its really not about buying the perfect pup from the best breeder .. cause there is no such thing as a perfect pup ... but more so training your pup to become YOUR perfect version of a pup .
just my 2 cents.




I am not even going to respond but really??!?! Well, that's my rant for the day, carry on :)

[Robin and Libby Louise]

I was crying already but need more kleenex after reading about how you named Myla.  Thanks for sharing your heartbreak - if it helps one person and one dog, it is worth it!  Hugs to you and Myla!

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

Wendy, I didn't know about Zak.  That is such a heartbreaking story, but thank you for sharing it. Hugs to you and Myla.

Rose, this is a site where a lot of us come to learn, raise, train, and keep our dogs healthy. We want to be responsible dog owners, we have lively debates, and we have a lot of fun.  We support each other on good days and bad.  Crying "bully" is in my opinion, is a cheap shot.  No one is bullying you. Facts are facts.  For the record, in your posts you have advocated selling puppies in pet shops - pups as young as 7 weeks old-- you're against responsible spay-neutering, you've characterized health-testing of parent dogs as unnecessary "bells and whistles" --after all, it's just a dog, and you believe you have the right to breed as many cute "mutts" as you want.  I wonder what will happen if you wind up with more puppies than friends? I guess they go to the pet shop. 

I admit, I don't get you.  You seem to love your dog but you enter each and every discussion with a POV that runs contrary to a future with more healthy dogs than not. You may have noticed that's pretty painful for some of the people who have lost dogs or are dealing with health issues here. You can stay or go but I, for one, suggest DKers disregard your posts. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Bravo, Cheryl. 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

Do you people not realize that even if you breed a healthy litter of puppies, these puppies could still end up in shelters or being abandoned if they are not "perfect for the owner" they might be very healthy and amazing breeder pups, but that owner might not care about this, and once they've got it they could realize its not perfect for them as like labradoodles do, the color might change, it might be to energetic, it might be too small once its grown ECT ECT. These "healthy, well breed pups" could still end up in shelters and being abandoned. Just saying. 

[Julie and Max]

Most people who pay the kind of money that a healthy well bred puppy is going to cost are not going to put it in a shelter. They would try to rehome it responsibly if they for some reason could not keep it. The chances of puppy going to a shelter are much much higher if it has something wrong with it....

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

Not necessary. That's maybe what you want to think so you win your argument. But it's not necessary true. 

Any dog could end up in a dog shelter, no matter what they price. Just because a dog is bred healthy and bred well, doesn't actually mean its the perfect dog for some people. Some people don't care about this stuff, and just want the cutest, best looking dog. And if the dog doesn't grow up to be like this, they will get rid. 

Not saying I would. I'd rather a healthy pup, BUT just because the dog is bred well doesn't mean it's not going to end up in the kennels/shelter/up for adoption. 

[BG and Gavin]

One of the hallmarks of a good breeder is that they state specifically in their contract that should the dog not work out in the home for any reason, the owner must return the dog to the breeder.  The breeder then will work to rehome the dog.  Good breeders take responsibility of their dogs from conception to death.

[Rosemary (Ro) and Enzo]

Thank you BG...took the words right out of my mouth

[Julie and Max]

Your argument does not make it right to breed unhealthy dogs, or suggest anyone should breed unhealthy dogs.

I did not know about this site, or health testing before I got my Max. I have learned a lot here, and I appreciate the wisdom and knowledge of the people on this site. Do I want a cute lovable puppy. You bet I do. I also want a dog that will live as long as possible. I also want a dog who has no health problems. I got my dog from a BYB and you bet I worry that there may be some genetic problems because I do not know if there are or not. I wish I had found this site before I got my puppy. I would have found a breeder that did health testing so that I could have a dog as healthy as possible. I am constantly looking at my dog wondering if he will have hip problems or other things. While health testing does not solve everything it sure can make the quality of life for a dog much better and the amount of time you have to spend with that dog much longer. I am glad I found this site so I could tap into the knowledge of all the wonderful people here with years upon years of dog ownership experience and it has helped me immensely. So far, I have been lucky that my pup has been a happy healthy dog and knock on wood it will continue to be that way, but if I were to ever get another pup I would make sure it came from a responsible breeder where it was important to them that they only bred the healthiest dogs that they could. I would not give up my Max for the world as he is an amazing and wonderful dog, but I certainly hate the fact that I supported someone who was really just in it for the money. 

[Sarah, Louie & Dougal]

Both my puppies were health tested and so where theyre parents, grand parents ECT ECT. 

I AM NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T DO THESE TEST, AS I WOULD. 

BUT i am saying in some cases just because a dog is bred healthy, doesn't mean it wouldnt end up in a shelter. and that wouldnt be the breeders fault, it would be the unresponsible owners fault.

but if i was to stud/breed i would do all the tests needed ect. 

[Julie and Max]

One of the hallmarks of a good breeder is that they state specifically in their contract that should the dog not work out in the home for any reason, the owner must return the dog to the breeder.  The breeder then will work to rehome the dog.  Good breeders take responsibility of their dogs from conception to death.