goldendoodles from "Blue" poodle

[Tammie Miller]

Im getting black goldendoodle soon. I have been told her coat may change in color by the time shes one or so because her dad is a "Blue" poodle.

Do any of you have a doodle with this in the pedigree? If so would like to see pics of what minie may look like in color.

[Tammie Miller]

I saw Lucy very beautiful. And she did look much darker as a puppy. I didnt see any white on her puppy pic.

 

[Lucy & AnnaBelle's Mom]

Karen is right in that Lucy is from a Blue parent, however, it is her Mom.  Ours were backwards from the norm.  Mom was the Poodle.  If you watch on my page long enough to get back to the puppy pics Lucy was coal black when we got her.  She started fading right away and at one point was thought to be phantom, but she eventually faded more so she doesn't really look phantom any longer.  We were originally disappointed when we saw the fading (we have learned so much from DK).  We did not realize she wouldn't stay black.  Now however, we love her coloring.  I always think of her as pewter.  She recently had surgery and they shaved her leg.  The skin looks so blue it is amazing.  Also, as Karen mentioned, Lucy and Sophie are liter mates so as you can see, Sophie did not get the same coloring!

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

I stand corrected, but I'm relieved that my memory isn't as bad as I thought, lol. At least I had the right doodle!

[Tammie Miller]

I also didnt know that a black goldendoodle would change colors until I was on the site of the dad. And they explained that if the puppy is born black it has a good chance of changing colors. I really like how your Lucy has turned out. She is beautiful. Did she have any white on her as a puppy?

 

[Amy, Cubbie & Ollie]

Cubbie's skin is blueish too.  i just assumed that is what it was one black dogs.

[Ginny Nightingale]

Here is a picture of a labradoodle that was very black at birth and has faded to what I would call blue. In genetics, blue means a mixture of black and white hairs or feathers so the the overall color looks grey. He isn't black at all anymore! 

First as an 8 week old pup then today--hard to believe it is the same pup!

[Tammie Miller]

Wow where did all that white come from on the face. I dont see really in the puppy pic/

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

That's the phantom look I referred to. You see it in most of the deeper colors, the face gets lighter when they mature.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Ginny, where are you getting that definition about blue being a mix of black and white hairs in genetics? It's not true in poodles.

Blue and silver poodles have lighter skin than blacks, that's one way you can tell they are not blacks as puppies, and the coat itself lightens, all of the hair lightens, it isn't a mix of black and white.

[Adina P]

I'm curious about this too.  i have seen lots of salt n pepper gray doodles, but when the color is grey to the untrained eye it is usually the hairs that are each gray rather than some hairs white and some hairs black. 

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

In the cats, blues will never have white ticking. It is considered a fault and disqualified.  I'm wondering if this is true for blue dogs.

Here is an explanation of BLUE in the show ring for blue cats:

 Solid blue all over with just the tips of the guard hairs being silver and producing a shimmering effect. Domestic blue cats will lack this tipping and be a flat blue. There are no white or other color markings whatsoever, except for the occasional white locket on the throat (considered a disqualifiable fault)

With the cats, paw pads and tongues were checked for coloring also.  The breeders would hold back the kittens with good coloring in the skin, pads, tongues.

[Ginny Nightingale]

Sorry--was using the definition that is part of the Biology curriculum that I taught for 34 years--Blue is black and white hairs mixed in horses and in B/W feathers in chickens called Andalusian fowl--it is considered Co-dominance, meaning that black and white are both dominant and both expressed--thus both colors of hair show up. We had a blue horse at one time and in the spring, the whiter hairs would grow in and he would look much lighter than in the winter when he had more dark hairs. The blending of the black and white to make grey hairs is called Incomplete dominance--so blue can probably be either co-dominance (B/W hairs) or incomplete dominance ("blue" or grey hairs)