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Poor Murphy, Sick on his Birthday :( UPDATE, UPDATE #2 UPDATE #3 FINAL UPDATE, I hope
Today is our Murphy's 5th Birthday! And as some of you already know, he was born on my birthday, so its a double celebration! He usually gets Pupcakes and treats and visits from his brother and other family doodles.
But not this year. He and Bella did a bad thing last friday and pulled down a 5# bag of flour off the counter, and proceeded to tear it apart and spread it ALL OVER the house. After 2 hours of cleaning up the floors, most of which had a flour and water mixture which we all know makes PASTE! It appears they had emptied their water bowl and dribbled water all through the flour! Of course, eating flour will make you very thirsty so the next project was cleaning up their beards, paws and of all things thier tails. I guess they decided to lay in the flour and they were just so happy with themselves, they swished their tails back and forth in the wet flour too!!!!
Some of the dough balls were so deep and thick in their beards, I finally just started trimming beards and chins to get it out. It was thick in between their toe pads and as hard as dried paste would be.
I figured no harm though as I've never heard of an adverse reaction to flour, but then, no one on DK probably ever had this happen yet either. I fed them dinner as usual, we all go to bed and Murphy wakes up at 2:00 AM vomiting. Then the diarrhea started the next morning, and he ate breakfast (Now rice and boiled Chix) as usual, but then have runny stools and vomit dinner again, and then Sunday both he and Bella vomited late in the afternoon, and both had runny stools.
Monday, Bella is fine and Murphy vomits his breakfast twice, as he re-ate the first round, and then stools are fine and he keeps dinner down. Tues the same, and today the same. I gave him Pepto Bismol mon and tues after the morning vomits, so that might have helped keep his dinners down but I just don't get it. He is eating, drinking, has normal stools, is acting his old self, although he was a little whimpy on sat and sunday.
Can flour do anything to their stomachs that would cause this type of reaction so sporadically and without any other symptoms? I will try giving him the Pepto in the AM before breakfast tomorrow and give him just a little rice with some broth and see how it goes. Any other suggestions?
As for his birthday? Well, he still got pampered. He had a warm bath, and blow dry and a nice long doggy massage that he just melted into the floor while I did it. So not so bad for a birthday after all.
UPDATE:
Murphy did get sick with his morning meal and waited about 30 minutes and tried a little rice with broth, just so he wasn't hungry or have an empty stomach. He took that fine and has maintained it so far today. The Vet suggested Pepcid and even smaller, frequent meals of the chicken and rice, or even just the rice and broth for a few more days and watch. Of course she suggested blood work and tests for other things it could be, but he is stooling fine and drinking as usual, so I see no need for that as yet. Karen in her great wisdom suggested wheat intolerance, and that actually makes sense since he never gets wheat products. So we shall wait and see what the next few mornings bring and go from there. I will take him in if things change or if it continues for much longer. Thank you all for thinking of him.
UPDATE #2 DEC.21
I gave Murphy the Pepcid thurs night and friday morning. I waited one hour to feed breakfast and he did great. Chicken and rice stayed down. DH gave him dinner and that was fine as well, and did not give him a pepcid, but dinner really hasnt been the issue. DH, or I will call him Dr.DH said "he doesnt need pepcid, he's fine". So I didn't give it this morning......HOW STUPID AM I FOR LISTENING?????
So a few minutes after breakfast, he vomited it all again this morning. He got his Pepcid after that and will until I can get him to the Vet on monday as Im thinking I need some tests now. It;s been 8 days of vomiting. I can't imagine it's wheat sensitivity any longer. Otherwise, all is well and he is drinking, playing, pooping normally. What a strange thing.
UPDATE #3 DEC.26
We have had Murphy on Pepcid for one week today. He does well with his morning meals as long as he gets it beforehand and now we realized on tues night that he can get sick with dinner too, so we give the Pepcid every 12 hours. He had not been having a problem with his evening meal so we stopped giving the Pepcid twice a day, a few days beforehand, but he just wasnt quite ready for that to happen. He ate the flour on Dec. 13th, so it will be 2 weeks tomorrow and saturday will be 2 weeks of vomiting. He still is otherwise just fine in every other observable way.
FINAL UPDATE Jan 1
We stopped giving the Pepcid on Monday, dec 30 to test the waters and see if we needed to take him to the Vet for his Tues morning appt. He ate his regular kibble on monday, both meals and retained it just fine. Same with Tues morning and evening and this morning. I did cancel the Vet appt. as the problem seems to have resolved with the Pepcid and chicken and rice and small meals. Unless it happens again, I am going to chalk it up a Wheat overload and intolerance with ensuing GI inflammation. If it does reappear, I will just take him in as then I will know it is an ongoing problem and he will need a treatment plan. Thanks again everyone. All your suggestions and support helped us through this little dilemma .
But not this year. He and Bella did a bad thing last friday and pulled down a 5# bag of flour off the counter, and proceeded to tear it apart and spread it ALL OVER the house. After 2 hours of cleaning up the floors, most of which had a flour and water mixture which we all know makes PASTE! It appears they had emptied their water bowl and dribbled water all through the flour! Of course, eating flour will make you very thirsty so the next project was cleaning up their beards, paws and of all things thier tails. I guess they decided to lay in the flour and they were just so happy with themselves, they swished their tails back and forth in the wet flour too!!!!
Some of the dough balls were so deep and thick in their beards, I finally just started trimming beards and chins to get it out. It was thick in between their toe pads and as hard as dried paste would be.
I figured no harm though as I've never heard of an adverse reaction to flour, but then, no one on DK probably ever had this happen yet either. I fed them dinner as usual, we all go to bed and Murphy wakes up at 2:00 AM vomiting. Then the diarrhea started the next morning, and he ate breakfast (Now rice and boiled Chix) as usual, but then have runny stools and vomit dinner again, and then Sunday both he and Bella vomited late in the afternoon, and both had runny stools.
Monday, Bella is fine and Murphy vomits his breakfast twice, as he re-ate the first round, and then stools are fine and he keeps dinner down. Tues the same, and today the same. I gave him Pepto Bismol mon and tues after the morning vomits, so that might have helped keep his dinners down but I just don't get it. He is eating, drinking, has normal stools, is acting his old self, although he was a little whimpy on sat and sunday.
Can flour do anything to their stomachs that would cause this type of reaction so sporadically and without any other symptoms? I will try giving him the Pepto in the AM before breakfast tomorrow and give him just a little rice with some broth and see how it goes. Any other suggestions?
As for his birthday? Well, he still got pampered. He had a warm bath, and blow dry and a nice long doggy massage that he just melted into the floor while I did it. So not so bad for a birthday after all.
UPDATE:
Murphy did get sick with his morning meal and waited about 30 minutes and tried a little rice with broth, just so he wasn't hungry or have an empty stomach. He took that fine and has maintained it so far today. The Vet suggested Pepcid and even smaller, frequent meals of the chicken and rice, or even just the rice and broth for a few more days and watch. Of course she suggested blood work and tests for other things it could be, but he is stooling fine and drinking as usual, so I see no need for that as yet. Karen in her great wisdom suggested wheat intolerance, and that actually makes sense since he never gets wheat products. So we shall wait and see what the next few mornings bring and go from there. I will take him in if things change or if it continues for much longer. Thank you all for thinking of him.
UPDATE #2 DEC.21
I gave Murphy the Pepcid thurs night and friday morning. I waited one hour to feed breakfast and he did great. Chicken and rice stayed down. DH gave him dinner and that was fine as well, and did not give him a pepcid, but dinner really hasnt been the issue. DH, or I will call him Dr.DH said "he doesnt need pepcid, he's fine". So I didn't give it this morning......HOW STUPID AM I FOR LISTENING?????
So a few minutes after breakfast, he vomited it all again this morning. He got his Pepcid after that and will until I can get him to the Vet on monday as Im thinking I need some tests now. It;s been 8 days of vomiting. I can't imagine it's wheat sensitivity any longer. Otherwise, all is well and he is drinking, playing, pooping normally. What a strange thing.
UPDATE #3 DEC.26
We have had Murphy on Pepcid for one week today. He does well with his morning meals as long as he gets it beforehand and now we realized on tues night that he can get sick with dinner too, so we give the Pepcid every 12 hours. He had not been having a problem with his evening meal so we stopped giving the Pepcid twice a day, a few days beforehand, but he just wasnt quite ready for that to happen. He ate the flour on Dec. 13th, so it will be 2 weeks tomorrow and saturday will be 2 weeks of vomiting. He still is otherwise just fine in every other observable way.
FINAL UPDATE Jan 1
We stopped giving the Pepcid on Monday, dec 30 to test the waters and see if we needed to take him to the Vet for his Tues morning appt. He ate his regular kibble on monday, both meals and retained it just fine. Same with Tues morning and evening and this morning. I did cancel the Vet appt. as the problem seems to have resolved with the Pepcid and chicken and rice and small meals. Unless it happens again, I am going to chalk it up a Wheat overload and intolerance with ensuing GI inflammation. If it does reappear, I will just take him in as then I will know it is an ongoing problem and he will need a treatment plan. Thanks again everyone. All your suggestions and support helped us through this little dilemma .
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Permalink Reply by Jane, Guinness and Murphy on
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Sue, just checking in to see how Murphy is doing....do you have to take him to the Vet today?
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Permalink Reply by Robin and Libby Louise on
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Keep us posted!
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Permalink Reply by Sue, Murphy and Bella ()*o*() on
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Thank you for checking on him Jane. Sunday and this morning he did fine with his morning meals and it seems to be under control. However, both mornings he got his pepcid 30-60 min before his food, which was broken up into 2 small servings. I waited till I was sure he could hold down some before giving more. His poops are fine and he seems totally fine. I'd think my vet would shake her head at me and say "SO why did you bring him in?" Well probably not as an office visit is still a charge either way. So we are on standby here, just watching. I made enough chicken and rice this morning for at least 4 more days and I will start giving him a little food without the pepcid in a couple of days and see what happens. If it were an an irritated bowel from the wheat, then I guess it takes more than a week to get out of their system and resolve any tummy irritations. And like BG, and the fevers, this could be labeled :" Vomiting of unknown origin". thanks everyone and I will let you all know what the outcome is in a few days.
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Permalink Reply by F, Calla & Luca on
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Good luck but don't rush eliminating the Pepcid.
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ok, are you thinking it might take longer than 4-5 good days of feeding before the problem can be gone, if it is just a reaction or irritation? Not really sure how long to keep him on it, but no harm in going longer. Thanks
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I really don't know but I think people are often to eager to stop what's working. I remember going through this with Karen when JD was first sick.
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Thanks F. Between you and Jane, I can't go wrong with continuing the Pepcid for quite sometime yet. No hurry here, as it's so good to see him eating without problems again.
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I've had my guys on Pepcid for four weeks during serious episodes. With the bland diet it really helps. You want that GI track to get totally "settled".
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That is a good point of reference then Jane. I can continue longer. Keeping him on longer would certainly rule out it being IBS and only the wheat reaction, if it doesn't occur again, months down the road, as I'd be pretty certain he'd be totally settled by a months time. Also, I am sure there will be no more opportunities to eat a bag of flour around here!
Then we'll just have to wait and see. This does confirm however, that my Bella has a stomach of steel as I have always thought. Im sure she probably had as much if not more of the flour than Murphy, as he is a much more discerning eater than she is. Thanks Jane.
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Permalink Reply by BG and Gavin on
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Yeh the dreaded "unknown orgin". I am with F. stick with what works. No rush to remove the pepcid.
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Permalink Reply by Nicky, Riley & Boris on
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Good to see you are making some progress and I sincerely hope that you are near to the end of this bizarre episode.
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Thanks Nicki, how's our Boris today?
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