Smooth goldendoodle?

[G Brownstein]

I am all set to adopt an f2b goldendoodle, however, the breeder just realized that at 7 weeks mine has been shedding a little bit.  I was hoping for a shaggy dog.  I did not realize that there were smooth coat goldendoodles that did not grow a beard. 

Does anyone have any information about whether he will grow a beard?

[Jane, Rooney & Stuart]

Awww - this puppy is super cute!  I can't give you any advice as I don't have that much experience but I will share with you my Goldendoodle at 8wks and at 1 yr.  He sheds badly just so you know.  For a long time I didn't think he would be doodley either but he was mine and I loved him. 

This is my Stuart at 8 weeks, he had straight, fluffy hair - it kinda just stuck out.  Notice the fluffy hair about the muzzle, I don't see that on the puppy above and am wondering if that is a clue.

This is Stuart now.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Even as a puppy, Stuart had the "chrysanthemum" on his muzzle and the long hair above his eyes that indicate the facial furnishings to come.

[BG and Gavin]

J's doodle Luna has a smooth coat and is a beautiful dog.  Maybe they will chime in with info and pics.  Your puppy is adorable!

[Sheila & Finnley]

It looks like your baby has inherited a little more golden than poodle. Never the less she is beautiful and I'm sure she will give you years of undived love and happiness ! 

 

The second generation Goldendoodle (F2B) is produced by crossing the F1 Goldendoodle with a F1B Goldendoodle. They also have a higher success rate for non-shedding and are recommended for families with moderate to severe allergies. They also have a variety of coat types, some are straight fleece coats
and some are curly coats. Many families desire this breeding because it has more Golden Retriever than the F1B, most are low to non-shedders.

F1 Goldendoodle = Golden Retriever X Poodle (50% Poodle / 50% Golden
Retriever)
F1B Goldendoodle = F1 Goldendoodle X Poodle (75% Poodle / 25% Golden
Retriever)
F2 Goldendoodle = F1 Goldendoodle X F1 Goldendoodle (50% Golden /50%
Poodle)
F2B Goldendoodle = F1 Goldendoodle X F1B Goldendoodle (62.5% Poodle /
37.5% Golden Retriever)
F3 Goldendoodle = F1B Goldendoodle X F1B Goldendoodle (75% Poodle /
25% Golden Retriever

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

When you have a heavily shedding breed like a Golden on both sides of the pedigree, you have a chance of shedding in the offspring, regardless of percentages. Genetics don't work that way, it's not like mixing paint, lol. For example, the F1 and the F2 in your example above both have a 50/50 mix of GR and poodle. But because there are genes for a shedding coat, along with the absence of the genes for curly coats and facial furnishings (the beard, mustache, and shaggy brows) on both sides of the F2's pedigree, the F2 actually has a much greater chance of looking just like a GR and shedding than the F1 does. It just depends which genes each parent passes along.

[Kathy, Harley & Roxie]

There should be a Doodle101 link on the front page linked to an explanation as to how genetics works.  "it's not like mixing paint"  cracked me up! 

[BG and Gavin]

Careful what you wish for - I have a feeling the marbles picture is going to make an appearance soon.  Karen?  Joanne?  Marbles picture?

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Here's Adina's old "jar of marbles analogy:

Thinking of JUST an F1b labradoodle for instance. Imagine that poodle genes are blue marbles and lab genes are yellow marbles.

A jar of F1 genes that was a pure 50/50 mix you'd have equal blue to yellow marbles.
And a poodle genes jar would contain only blue marbles.

Now to make an F1b for every 2-gene combo you'd randomly choose one marble from the F1 jar and one marble from the Poodle jar. When choosing from the poodle jar you'd ALWAYS get a poodle gene. But when blindly reaching into the F1 jar, sometimes you'd pick a blue sometimes a yellow.... So some F1b's could have more poodle genes, others more lab genes...and only looking at a WHOLE population average would F1b's look like 3/4 poodle.

But then mixing the F1 x F1b means there is still a possibility of some LABBY pups and some POODLEY pups.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

And here's my explanation of Adina's explanation, lol. This is perfect, because it's an F1 crossed with an F1B:

Okay, I need friends who still have some marbles left, because I've definitely lost all of mine. So here: Jar one has three-quarters blue marbles and one quarter yellow, for the F1B. Jar two has half blue and helf yellow, for the F1.
Regardless, it's still possible to get two yellow marbles if you draw one from each jar. There is only a slightly better chance of drawing any blue marbles than there would be if each jar was a 50/50 split (Two F1's bred together.) Five eighths of the marbles are blue and three eighths are yellow. The exact proportion of lab-to-poodle in an F1B-F1 mating is 5/8 poodle, 3/8 lab... not that genetics works that way.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

When you read some of the info on breeders' websites, that's what it sounds like, lol- mixing paint. We know that if you mix half black paint and half white paint, you get grey. Well, some breeders seem to think that genetics works the same way...like the mother is the white paint and the dad is the black, and the puppies will be an average of the two: somewhere in between the parents' heights and weights, somewhere in between the parents' coats, etc. But we know that the puppies might be all black, or all white, or some other color entirely!

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Your puppy is adorable. It does look like he will have a smooth face; I don't see any signs of "furnishings", which are controlled by one particular gene, so it's likely that he may not have a beard or a shaggy face. The gene for the beard, eyebrows, and that "chrysanthemum" of hair on the muzzle is separate from the gene for a curly coat, so there are dogs who have a curly coat and do not shed, but still have the smooth face, also called an "open" face.

[G Brownstein]

I assumed since he is 62.5% poodle that he would be more of a long haired dog.