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THINK POODLES ARE TOO "FROO-FROO"?-THESE DOGS ARE NOT LABRADOODLES!-BUT YOU COULD HAVE FOOLED ME!-ALL OF YOU SHOULD READ THIS
Think Poodles are too "froo froo"?
These dogs are STANDARD POODLES
This is an example of a poodle breeder who cares about the health, welfare and lines of their dogs. All puppies are health tested and raised IN THE HOME. All puppies have at least a 10 GENERATION PEDIGREE.
Read what this breeder says about Doodle Breeding Programs
QUESTION: Why are we not breeding our Poodles to Labs or Golden Retrievers?
"As owners of Standard Poodles we at one time considered breeding Labradoodles. We had heard some pretty fantastic claims about the Labradoodles. Fortunately we found out the truth. Here are six common misconceptions:"
1. They don't shed and are allergy friendly.
Fact: Most Lab X Standard Poodles will shed (about 1 in every litter will not shed).Most will aggravate allergies. It takes multi-generational breeding to breeding that reduce the allergy. This means most Lab X Poodle will shed and aggravate allergies and asthma like any other dog may.
A note about shedding:
There is no way to know for sure if a cross-bred pup will not shed until it gets its adult coat (between 12-18 months old). Some pups appear not to shed until the adult coat comes in.
2. They are easier to train than a Lab.
Fact: Due to the crossing of two different breeds there can be absolutely no guarantee a cross-bred pup will inherit the easy to train Standard Poodle personality.
It could inherit the Lab train ability.... which is not a bad thing... Labs are not stupid! But it typically takes more repetitions to train a Lab.
3. Lower maintenance breed! I will not have to cut the non-shedding coat!
Fact: The non-shedding coat needs to be cut 3-4 times a year. (Same as a Poodle) Regular brushing is a must or the dog will get matts and matts can be a breeding ground for parasites! (same as a Poodle) As well all ear hair must be plucked so the ears won't get infected - (same as a Poodle.)
4. They are the latest fad! A new breed!
Fact: YES they are the latest fad! Unfortunately that means once they are no longer a fad there will be many homeless pups in animal shelters. This has already begun in the USA and Australia. Many of these new 'designer dogs' are available at a
discount prices at animal shelters. They are not a new breed yet! The Labradoodle (or Goldendoodle) will not be considered a new breed genetically speaking until breeding two Labradoodles together will produce off spring which all look and act similar to all Labradoodles. A breeding must produce the same type (phenotype) and only that type
generation after generation. This is also called breeding true or having a stabilized breed.
5. They are cute!
Fact: The curly haired Labradoodle looks as he does because his hair is cut into the 'Labradoodle' cut. (Anyone with a quality pair of clippers and a bit of time can learn to clip ANY curly dog into the same cut! This is not rocket science!) The thing to remember is ALL puppies are cute. No one can tell what a cross-breed will look like when it is an adult! Remember most of the dogs life will be spent as an adult. That cute puppy stage only lasts for a few MONTHS
6. They will be healthier because they are not inbred like purebred dogs.
Fact: Not all Pure-Bred dogs are inbred. Our Poodles are not inbred! Pure Bred Standard Poodles are statistically the healthiest and longest lived breed of dog.
There is a misconception that by breeding two different breeds together you will produce a healthier dog. Unfortunately this is not true. A Labradoodle can get the genetic problems common in BOTH breeds instead of just one.
One mis-informed Labradoodle breeder wrote:
"90% of all dog genetic health problems are recessive. This means that in order for a puppy to have the health problem, both parents must carry it. By breeding two dogs of different breeds, without similar health problems, we are breeding puppies with far less health problems! Crossbred dogs have far less health problems, (hybrid vigor)."
Using this theory the Lab should hot be bred to the Standard Poodle because they share most of the same health issues! Obviously this breeder did not do their genetic research.
The bottom line is both purebred and cross-bred dogs are susceptible to potential health problems. The best way to reduce the risk of health problems is to not inbreed, health test breeding stock and MOST importantly make sure your breeder does extensive 10 generation pedigree research."
These dogs are STANDARD POODLES
This is an example of a poodle breeder who cares about the health, welfare and lines of their dogs. All puppies are health tested and raised IN THE HOME. All puppies have at least a 10 GENERATION PEDIGREE.
Read what this breeder says about Doodle Breeding Programs
QUESTION: Why are we not breeding our Poodles to Labs or Golden Retrievers?
"As owners of Standard Poodles we at one time considered breeding Labradoodles. We had heard some pretty fantastic claims about the Labradoodles. Fortunately we found out the truth. Here are six common misconceptions:"
1. They don't shed and are allergy friendly.
Fact: Most Lab X Standard Poodles will shed (about 1 in every litter will not shed).Most will aggravate allergies. It takes multi-generational breeding to breeding that reduce the allergy. This means most Lab X Poodle will shed and aggravate allergies and asthma like any other dog may.
A note about shedding:
There is no way to know for sure if a cross-bred pup will not shed until it gets its adult coat (between 12-18 months old). Some pups appear not to shed until the adult coat comes in.
2. They are easier to train than a Lab.
Fact: Due to the crossing of two different breeds there can be absolutely no guarantee a cross-bred pup will inherit the easy to train Standard Poodle personality.
It could inherit the Lab train ability.... which is not a bad thing... Labs are not stupid! But it typically takes more repetitions to train a Lab.
3. Lower maintenance breed! I will not have to cut the non-shedding coat!
Fact: The non-shedding coat needs to be cut 3-4 times a year. (Same as a Poodle) Regular brushing is a must or the dog will get matts and matts can be a breeding ground for parasites! (same as a Poodle) As well all ear hair must be plucked so the ears won't get infected - (same as a Poodle.)
4. They are the latest fad! A new breed!
Fact: YES they are the latest fad! Unfortunately that means once they are no longer a fad there will be many homeless pups in animal shelters. This has already begun in the USA and Australia. Many of these new 'designer dogs' are available at a
discount prices at animal shelters. They are not a new breed yet! The Labradoodle (or Goldendoodle) will not be considered a new breed genetically speaking until breeding two Labradoodles together will produce off spring which all look and act similar to all Labradoodles. A breeding must produce the same type (phenotype) and only that type
generation after generation. This is also called breeding true or having a stabilized breed.
5. They are cute!
Fact: The curly haired Labradoodle looks as he does because his hair is cut into the 'Labradoodle' cut. (Anyone with a quality pair of clippers and a bit of time can learn to clip ANY curly dog into the same cut! This is not rocket science!) The thing to remember is ALL puppies are cute. No one can tell what a cross-breed will look like when it is an adult! Remember most of the dogs life will be spent as an adult. That cute puppy stage only lasts for a few MONTHS
6. They will be healthier because they are not inbred like purebred dogs.
Fact: Not all Pure-Bred dogs are inbred. Our Poodles are not inbred! Pure Bred Standard Poodles are statistically the healthiest and longest lived breed of dog.
There is a misconception that by breeding two different breeds together you will produce a healthier dog. Unfortunately this is not true. A Labradoodle can get the genetic problems common in BOTH breeds instead of just one.
One mis-informed Labradoodle breeder wrote:
"90% of all dog genetic health problems are recessive. This means that in order for a puppy to have the health problem, both parents must carry it. By breeding two dogs of different breeds, without similar health problems, we are breeding puppies with far less health problems! Crossbred dogs have far less health problems, (hybrid vigor)."
Using this theory the Lab should hot be bred to the Standard Poodle because they share most of the same health issues! Obviously this breeder did not do their genetic research.
The bottom line is both purebred and cross-bred dogs are susceptible to potential health problems. The best way to reduce the risk of health problems is to not inbreed, health test breeding stock and MOST importantly make sure your breeder does extensive 10 generation pedigree research."
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by April Cliber on
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A double doodle is a cross between a goldendoodle and a labradoodle. They are also called North American Retrievers.
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Permalink Reply by Debbie and Thomas on
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This is very interesting. Years ago when I was researching family pets-the standard poodle was rated number one-because of its gentle temperament,non shed and intelligence. I just didn't want one because I thought of the froo froo cut and knew that my husband and two 10 year old sons would kill me if I came home with a poodle. Here I am 12 years later with a doodle and to tell you the truth-he looks a lot like these pictures of the poodle. My question is-and maybe I should start another topic on this is "How did they develop the medium and miniature poodle"? I have met some that were not very nice dogs-very snappy and yappy and seemed skittish among small children. They seem different than the Standard-who is such a lovely aristocratic dog. We have an F1 Standard Golden Doodle, but are interested in getting a meduim in the future. So I am interested in hearing from others about the mid sized poodle.
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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Well, every single mini or medium doodle has miniature or toy poodle in it, so maybe there should be a discussion of the differences between temperaments of the standard doodles and the smaller doodles. Little dogs are usually more yappy and hyper than big dogs, regardless of breed. But there are a lot of variations depending on the individual dog and the bloodlines. Calm dogs make calm puppies as a rule. I have also met a lot of under-exercised labrador retrievers that never stop jumping and barking, and lots of poorly bred golden retrievers who couldn't keep their attention on something for 30 seconds. Distractibility is one of the reasons I never wanted a retriever. I have lived with all three sizes of poodle in my lifetime, and yes, the standards are calmer, but it is really all in the bloodlines. I find poodles of all sizes to be brilliant, easy to train, and much more focused on their people than any other breed aside from German Shepherds. All toy dogs are yappy...have you ever seen a calm, dignified yorkie or maltese? When you think about the original intent for breeding labradoodles in the first place, it was because they needed a bigger-boned, sturdier dog than the Standard poodle to be seeing eye dogs for blind people who were allergic to dogs. If they had not had to be of a certain strength and physique, Standard poodles would have worked just fine. There is no temperament issue with them for service or therapy work.
I find it so odd that so many people never met a standard poodle in person. Poodles were among the top 2 or 3 most popular breeds in this country for dozens of years. When I was a kid, you couldn't walk half a block without seeing several, but maybe that was only in urban areas. And outside of a show ring, I never saw one in the show clip. As much as some people here are tired of hearing the "myths" and put downs of doodles, I have to admit, I am tired of hearing, "I love the retriever temperament, but I didn't want all the shedding", or "my husband didn't want a froo-froo poodle"...like "doodle" sounds very masculine, lol. Poodles are great dogs.
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As my uncle says "I ain't huntin with nothin called a doodle." No, "doodle" doesn't sound masculine, but it does sound fun. :o) Years ago, I tried to tell him that doodles can make excellent hunting dogs. He thought it was hysterical. He still teases me every chance he gets... But my dogs are way more well behaved then his beagles. :o)
Poodles are wonderful service dogs! I LOVE them. I still say doodles are different though... The poodles I know aren't as silly and happy go lucky. Poodles do tend to be more calm and they are very regal! I never tire of watching my poodle prance. He looks like he's walking on clouds!
My only point is that I think the world benefits from BOTH poodles and doodles. There is room for both. I love lots of dogs, doodles just happen to be my favorite.
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Hey, April, send your uncle this link to a hunting poodles website:
http://www.lakelandhuntingpoodles.com/Hunting.htm
Here's one photo from the site:
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That's great! I'll send it!
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Permalink Reply by fergie11 on
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Here's some really cool pictures of hunting poodles - One of the websites is:
http://www.redhuntingpoodles.com/
I think remember reading that these people don't believe in doodles though - otherwise these would be a great to mix with a retriever for a really nice doodle - I think anyway. I've got many friends that are hunters and I wish they'd get one of these dogs but I can't get these "men" past the poodle thing.
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Permalink Reply by Allyson, Peri & Taquito on
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I have a chihuahua that is calm and dignified...best dog in the world by the way (besides Lady Peri)!!!! And my mini gd Peri loves him :) He loves everyone...but he is not the norm!
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Permalink Reply by Michele Barton on
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The history and reason for the poodle cut is explained at:
http://dog-breeds.suite101.com/article.cfm/those_strange_poodle_haircuts.
Poodles were originally bred as hunting dogs. I first heard the history while watching a dog show on Animal Planet several years ago. It certainly changed my view of the poodle. They are great dogs!
BTW, I tried to insert the website address as a link, but for some reason it didn't show up.
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Working poodle breeder in the South of France:
http://www.realstandards.info/poodlework.htm
Here's what a poodle looks like au natural, undocked tail & all:
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Permalink Reply by Beth davis on
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Poodle or doodle that is the Q.
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Permalink Reply by LuvMyAbby&Kaela on
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Funny you bring this up. I was just looking at these beautiful red standard poodles ready to go, this morning. http://vancouver.kijiji.ca/c-pets-dogs-puppies-for-sale-Standard-Po...
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