Why don't people accept new doodles?

[Sam&Bella]

Hello!

 I was just reading some old posts about  Sheepadoodles and found that a lot of people  did not accept them when they first starting popping up. This got me thinking, What did people think about labradoodles when they first came out? What about  goldendooodles? Probably  nothing. They thought it was amazing that a a dog could be made into a non-shedding dog.  Now people don't like the idea of making more doodles.And now that  Sheepadoodles have been around for a few years, people aren't making a big deal about it. I understand that most people make a  puppy mill out of these new dogs, but not all the breeders are bad. Just do your research.  I am in touch  with a few of MANY reputable breeders that breed sheepadoodles and bernedoodles. They do testing before every litter. People want doodles for many reasons and many of them were probably bred on purpose.

1. Many doodles do not shed.(I know that doodles do shed sometimes)

2. They may live longer if the poodle is being bred with a dog that has a shorter lifespan.

3. They had the dog that the poodle is being bred with before, but didn't want to deal with the shedding again, or they like that dog but have allergies.

I hope that I did not offend anyone but I had to get this out there!. I was very confused on why people judge before they even know what they are judging!

PLEASE TELL ME IF THIS MAKES NO SENSE AND I WILL FIX IT!

 Thanks!! 

[Jess]

Some people are against buying from a breeder and not rescuing 

Some think purebred dogs are the only kind you should get 

Some think that its a money grab but at the end of the day those people dont need to buy a doodle! lol

So silly eh! Every thing in life is an argument these days. 

[Sam&Bella]

I know! No one can just have a normal conversation! ;)

ALSO, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO  KNOW THAT I WROTE THIS TO SEE OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS, NOT TO GET PEOPLE  UPSET

[Frank and Pippa]

I personally love all doodles (well all dogs) and am fascinated by them. As long as people are well educated about what they are getting and devote themselves completely in caring for them... then there is nothing wrong with it.

[Jess]

I always get asked why I didn't rescue a dog. People just want to put in their 2 cents on everything. BUT everyone else just LOVES Jack! everyone that lives near us ( even people I dont know) Love Jack! haha so I am happy with our dog choice! 

[Sam&Bella]

 I agree! :^)

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

My doodles are mutts and I am the first to admit it and don't care what others think. Many, many people do not accept doodles of any kind.  We often get snarky comments.  I usually introduce my dogs as poodle mixes - then say goldendoodle or labradoodle for whichever dog I am referring to, but only if the people seem to want to know specifics. Bichon/poodle mixes, Maltese/poodle mixes, and Australian Shepherd/poodle mixes are becoming much more common, but  I think the reason that sheepadoodles, berniedoodles, and some other poodle mixes have even more difficulty is that there aren't many reputable breeders of these poodle mixes which pretty much leaves puppy mills or backyard breeders.

[Lynda Kamrath]

My favorite breeder just bred her first litter of sheepadoodles and I am lucky to have one of them.  I have been in contact for two years and had a hold on a puppy.  Yes, you definitely need to do research, and I have been in contact with this breeder for twelve years.  She also bred my phantom goldendoodle who died a couple of years ago.  He was a wonderful dog with the a beautiful coat.  He was an F1b and I cannot speak highly enough of that combo.  All F1bs should be neutered or spayed as you should not breed them.  But definitely not a puppy mill.  About labradoodles, they were closely regulated when the breed began in Australia but when the U.S. started producing these pups, it got out of hand and anyone with a poodle and labrador thought they could breed a labradoodle.  Then the goldendoodles were an American breed.  Be careful what you get because the regulations are not the same here as they were in Australia when the breed began.  Yes, do your research.

[Adina P]

It's good to ask questions.  I am not offended.  But I also understand both sides. 
Here on DoodleKisses.com we believe strongly in responsible breeding.  Anytime a dog breed or type becomes popular, then they become popular to breed because they are money makers.  So as new types of dogs become popular, there is a big increase in bad breeding of the popular dogs.  People with no experience start breeding, people who are just out for money start breeding, and people who don't bother with health testing and other high standards start breeding.  This is bad for the dogs in question because they are more likely to have health problems and end up in shelters because the bad breeders don't discriminate and will sell to anyone who will pay.  So that is the ultimate problem.  This happens in pure breeds too. 

The lifespan thing is not correct.  It just depends on the health and genetics of both dogs.  One dog's bad genetics can shorten the lifespan depending on what diseases it passes on. 

There are some quality doodle breeders, but lots and lots of questionable ones--all because it is a popular type of dog.  So since goldendoodles and labradoodles are popular, people have experimented with mixing other dogs with poodles.  The main reason it is frowned on is that it is usually done for the novelty and for selling puppies, not for the sake of creating really healthy dogs.  These breeders who make unusual mixes RARELY happen to also breed to high standards and do full health testing on their dogs.  That is the main issue. 

[Sam&Bella]

When I was talking about lifespan, I had a newfypoo in mind. as you probably know, Newfs only live 8-10 years, but when bred with a poodle, their lifespan grows a  few years kind of like a bernedoodle. That's kind of what I meant.  I will private message you the breeders that I like.

[Adina P]

Maybe. The newf's lifespan doesn't change, but the mix might have a longer lifespan. But then it's no longer comparing the same thing because a newfie-poo is not a Newfoundland dog anymore. I got your private msg, but I've only had a chance to look at the first one, which I couldn't find health testing mentioned on the website.

[Lonnie & Libby Lu]

It makes total sense!  I LOVE all Doodles!  

[Laurie, Fudge, and Vern]

I love all dogs, too...I just don't think they should be bred to make money without any thought to the ramifications to the dog. I have thought long and hard about responding to this post, because I don't want to come off sounding mean, but I am not sure what you are getting at in this discussion. There are tons of people who feel Labradoodles and Goldendoodles are designer dogs and should not have been bred in the first place. However, they have been around a long time and there are some very good breeders who put a lot of time, money, testing, and effort into breeding good dogs. They aren't going away, but the problem is there are other breeders who are not so good and in it for the money and getting information out there that is incorrect and enticing people to get these dogs like...they don't shed....people with allergy can get these dogs with no problems....they love all other dogs, etc.   People go into getting these dogs thinking they are the be all and end all of dogdom and when they find out that is not true, they start getting rid of them. Check out the stories on DRC, if you don't believe me. 

Because of the popularity of these Doodles, some people are starting to think breeding a poodle with any other breed is the way to go and there are very few breeders doing this responsibly. Take a Newfypoo for instance. I would love to see the whys of putting these two dogs together and to say it lengthens the life of the dog is not true. Both parent's genetics play a part in the new puppy and there are no guarantees that the poodle side will increase the lifespan, in my opinion. People are just wanting different looks, etc. and someone out there is willing to make money off of those desires. 

Again, it is so important to read this before buying a dog from any breeder.

http://www.doodlekisses.com/notes/What_To_Look_for_In_a_Breeder

Just recently you  posted a discussion about a puppy you were going to go look at and you did not feel it was a puppy mill situation because the breeders were being so open...

http://www.doodlekisses.com/forum/topics/if-they-are-letting-you-se...

Thankfully, you did ask the question because many people were able to steer you away from this breeder, but you can see how easily they can fool people. I agree with everything Adina said about the other mixes you are talking about and especially this...These breeders who make unusual mixes RARELY happen to also breed to high standards and do full health testing on their dogs.  That is the main issue. 
 

In addition, I am not saying that over time and several generations later some of these breeders might produce healthy dogs, but I don't feel we are there yet. That's my opinion. Getting any dog is a crap shoot, but I just feel finding the best responsible breeders out there might help you with odds. 

If it were me, I would run the breeders you have found by Adina and Karen and get their feedback. They are both fair, honest, and invested in helping people and may be able to help you in your quest to get another dog. Good luck.

Also, since you posted that prior discussion about the puppy mill, you may be interested in reading this blog I wrote a long time ago after we had a very heated discussion on getting a dog from a puppy mill.

http://www.doodlekisses.com/profiles/blogs/heated-discussions-puppy...