f1 laberdoodle

[marcia hill]

Is it like not acceptale to have an f1 doodle as far as there hair goes. I keep reading and it says there not hypo alerginic and they shed. But mine doesnt shed. I guess I dont understand i thought a doodle was a doodle. If you know anything about there coat let me know. marcia

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

"An F1B Doodle, The product of an F-1 Doodle crossed back to a poodle should not shed at all and should be very hypoallergenic. That is the type of Doodle which a person with severe allergies to dogs should get"

Actually, an F1B still has a 25% chance of ending up with a Cs coat which will shed somewhat, just like an F1. It will definitely NOT be "hypoallergenic", although it might be more allergy-friendly than a heavily shedding breed. A person with "severe" allergies to dogs really should stick to purebred poodles; we have enough doodles being rehomed for "allergic" reasons. :-)

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

"The funny thing in the genetic crap-shoot is the product of a breeding between two F-1 Doodles. Apparently, those puppies will have a 40% chance of being almost totally like a poodle. Another 40% will be almost totally like the Golden or Lab while only 20% will have the Doodle characteristics."

Actually, when you understand the "rules" behind the genetics, it's easy to explain:
Let C stand for the poodle coat, and s stand for the retriever coat. In this example, a C from each parent will result in coat type CC, poodle-y, and an s from each parent will result in coat type ss, straight. This is what would happen in a purebred situation, i.e. poodle bred to poodle or retriever bred to retriever. However, a C from one parent and an s from the other (F1 doodle) will result in a Cs coat type, or "wave-y". This is only the case when the dominant gene has "incomplete" dominance (see my comment below). In the case of complete dominance, a Cs coat would be curly.
Since an F1 has the capability to pass on either the C or the s gene for coat, if each of the two F1 parents happened to pass an s to the puppy, it would have a retriever coat. If each parent passed a C, the puppy would have a poodle coat. If each pass an opposite gene, you would get another Cs coat, the F1 doodle's coat. Waviness will vary, also as described below.

[Richard Crowe]

Our Holly is an F-1 Goldendoodle and sheds minimally. After the bushel baskets of shedding which our Golden Retriever/German Shepherd/Wolf presented us with, It is almost like Holly doesn't shed at all. She had some siblings in her litter which developed more of the curly poodle type coat and probably would not shed at all.

An F1B Doodle, The product of an F-1 Doodle crossed back to a poodle should not shed at all and should be very hypoallergenic. That is the type of Doodle which a person with severe allergies to dogs should get.

The funny thing in the genetic crap-shoot is the product of a breeding between two F-1 Doodles. Apparently, those puppies will have a 40% chance of being almost totally like a poodle. Another 40% will be almost totally like the Golden or Lab while only 20% will have the Doodle characteristics.

However, neither Judy nor I are allergic to dogs (Thank God!); so Holly is just about perfect. Her shedding doesn't cause any problems for us.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

In humans, curly hair has what is called "incomplete dominance" over straight hair. This means that if a parent with curly hair and a parent with straight hair produce a child, the child is likely to have wavey hair, neither curly nor straight, but somewhere in between. The straight hair gene is recessive, so in order to get a child with straight hair, it has to have been passed by both parents. Assuming that it works the same way for dogs (admittedly a large assumption), an F1 is going to have a coat which is not as wooly as it's podle parent, but not as straight as it's retrievr parent. Which end of the scale any particular puppy's coat will be is a spin of the genetic wheel. That's why people get purebreds...you are guaranteed a particular appearance, including coat type. Mixed breeds are always a gamble. People need to quit saying "labradoodles or goldendoodles don't shed" or are allergy-friendly. It is not true, they are all different, particularly the F1's.


Regarding shedding vs non-shedding coats, it really is very easy to know if a particular dog will or won't shed, but unfortunately, only with adult dogs. Non-shedding breeds, such as poodles, Bouvier de Flandres, wheaten terriers, etc., have hair that is like human hair in that it never stops growing. It has to be cut regularly like human hair, or it will grow & become matted down into itself, or "cord" like human dreadlocks. Humans do not "shed", leaving hair all over, but when we brush our hair, we do find some in the brush. It is the same with the non-shedding breeds.
All shedding breeds, like labs, goldens, collies, German shepherds, etc., have hair that reaches its natural length and stops growing. These breeds never get haircuts. The hair falls out in its time, (sheds) and is replaced with new hair. There are differences between breeds; shepherds and labs shed continuously throughout the year, day in and day out. The longer-haired shedders, like goldens & collies, "blow" their coats primarily twice a year. So you can look at any adult dog with it's natural coat, and know if it sheds or not...if it needs to have haircuts to keep its hair at a constant length, it's a non-shedder. Unfortunately, no way to know with puppies.

[Adina P]

Both of mine are F1's and both shed. Remember that even though 1/2 of an F1 is a poodle...1/2 is a lab/retriever so they both contribute. It's not just a 50/50 blend...each puppy is different. For people with allergies usually F1's are NOT a good idea because MANY do shed. That doesn't make the dogs bad...just not for everyone. I don't have allergies so it's not a problem. F1's are my favorite!

[Adrianne Matzkin]

I am no expert either but I can tell you that y Samantha, an F1 Labradoodle does not shed. When I brush her I do get some hair in the brush - much like when we brush our own hair. I find no clumps of hair on the floor so I guess at 10 months of age, I would call her a non-shedder but who knows what time will bring. You are taking 2 'purebreds' who charactersitcs are well documented but the Doodles you are crossing DNA.
If you pup doesn't shed, be grateful!! I know I am! I had a GR many years ago and I remember all too well what sheding really is! Happy New Year!