Labradoodle & Goldendoodle Forum
Where do breeders get their dogs from?
I was just thinking about how breeders get their dogs.Not me but a lot of people especially pure bred breeders are against mixed breeds unless they are from a rescue then its okay to adopt one.So if breeders are only looking for the betterment of their purebred dogs and to only improve that particular breed.Why would they sell a breeding dog to a breeder that breeds mixed breeds? No reputable breeder of a pure bred dog that cares about their breed and improving upon that breed would ever sell breeding stock to a breeder that breeds mixed breeds.It makes sense to me.So where are these premium labradoodle breeders and goldendoodle breeders getting their quality stock from.Once again im confused.What am i missing here?Please keep an open mind these are not my opinions and is not a stab at the awesome LD and GD.
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Permalink Reply by F, Calla & Luca on
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Yes to me it does. I think that is an attainable goal, or should be for any parent doodle.
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That kind of obedience sounds like a very good goal. I have settled for less for now but overall, I think without a great deal more work my doodles could do this.
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I think the CGC is doable. Temperament is not well defined and therefore not easily tested unless someone were to make a definition and test for it. Maybe someone will do this but the clubs aren't likely to do it because what's in it for them? Some dogs will not be of "good" temperament and then how do you sell them? If a breeder just says all of the dogs he/she breeds are of good temperament, or even that the breed as a whole is, that's much better as a sales pitch.
People have a certain inborn temperament that can be seen in newborns but I don't remember ever seeing an exact definition of temperament or it's subtypes. Then we do, or don't spend our lives trying to modify it : )
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Permalink Reply by Adina P on
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That's just it. They would have to create a definition based on behavior in specific situations...not too different from the CGC really. It would be for the breeding dogs.
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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"Some dogs will not be of "good" temperament and then how do you sell them?"
To me, this is the problem when dogs are being bred solely for profit and there are no goals other than to sell puppies.
Of course, dogs who are not of good temperament should not be bred.
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Dogs who don't have a good temperament would be just like dogs who don't pass health testing. They would not be bred, ideally. Simple.
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Ideally indeed. But not I'm afraid so simple.
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Yes, but when you are choosing breeding dogs at 6 weeks of age, how can you know this?
It goes back to a breeder who has dogs for which they have goals other than breeding: obedience, agility, therapy, championships or certifications of some kind, whatever you want to call it. You have this dog as your own companion. Then when the dog is two or three years old, you know what the temperament is like. You also have a better idea if the dog has certain health issues that cannot be tested for, which includes most of the immune-mediated diseases that cause some of us so much heartache. At that point, you decide that this is a dog who should be bred, whose genes, temperament, health, etc. are just too good not to be replicated.
That's the ideal.
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And sadly, this would make it tough to make a living. So I think for the vast majority of breeders it will never happen. There would be problems with economy of scale since the dogs would ideally live with the breeder. Than if you don't want kenneled dogs than you get guardianship and all the inherent difficulties with observation and control that brings.
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Right. But there are people who are doing this, Carol Brand for one, and the breeder of my last dog and probably my next dog. They are not making their living from breeding dogs.
Although it is possible to do this with co-ownership, too.
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Neither do I think it's wrong to breed to provide wanted pets although the fad aspect can be bad in many ways.
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And after all, if you go all the way back to the beginnings of the labradoodle, the originator, Wally Conran, did not have the sale of puppies as his goal. The original idea, as we are often reminded on breeder websites, was to develop an allergy-friendly service dog.
This is true of just about every "created" breed (and there are far fewer than most people believe. The majority of purebred breeds evolved naturally and are not the result of someone mixing two established breeds.) There was an original purpose of creating a breed for a specific task, whether it was protection, herding, service, hunting, etc.
There is no breed that was developed solely for the purpose of mass producing pets for people.
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