What generation of doodle do I have???

[Amber and the doods]

So...I posted in the F2b group and haven't gotten much response and the one I did get basically told me the same thing you read on just about every website.  My older (bigger) dood is an F1, no doubt about it.  My little one I was "told" was an F2b.  The breeders explanation was this, F2 (mom) x mini-poodle (dad).  She said she does it this way to get a "truer" mix of poodle in the puppies rather than taking an F1 x F1b.  She said you don't "truly" know what you're going to get percentage wise.  Obviously you don't EVER really know for sure but this way at least you've got a better chance.  Does this makes sense to anyone?  Now I read on another site that her breeding, F1 x F1 = F2, then that F2 x Poodle actually results in an F1B percentage wise even though it is a 2nd generation doodle wise.  Am I crazy? LOL!

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

You're correct in that an F2 (F1 bred to another F1) has the same percentages of the parent breeds, that is 50% Poodle and 50% Lab, that an F1 has. But the thing is that genes don't work that way, in terms of percentages. Each parent contributes half the genes of each offspring, but which genes each parent contributes is completely random. So if each of the F1 parents passed along the genes that they got from their poodle parent to the F2 offspring, you would have a very high percentage of poodle genes. If each of the F1 parents passed along their Lab genes to the F2 offspring, you would have a very high percentage of Lab genes (one reason that most breeders do not do F1 to F1 breedings). Or the F1 parents could pass along any combination of Poodle and Lab genes, and there really isn't any way to know what percentage of each any individual pupy has. I hope this explanation makes sense.

Personally, I really don't think it makes much difference what generation your pup is or what her percentages are. She's 100% adorable, lol, you love her, and that's all that matters.

[Amber and the doods]

Thanks Karen, I missed your post before.  You are correct in that it doesn't matter.  I'm just one of those people who has to try and understand everything before "just going with it". ;)  So I don't go crazy. lol.  Thanks for the input.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

There are some things in life that just can't be fully understood, lol. Keep in mind that these F2, etc designations as they apply to doodles are not really solid factual scientific definitons carved in stone. They were kind of "invented" by the breeders themselves not too terribly long ago, based very loosely on Mendelian genetic theory, and there is some disagreement as to what exactly constitutes some of the generations in doodles.

If I really needed to try and know for sure what percentage of what genes my dog had, I think I would do a DNA teat. They are widely available and not too expensive.

[Amy, Cubbie & Ollie]

what about that whole dominant and recessive gene thing?  Like how a couple who don't have any relatives with red hair in their immediate families can have a child with red hair because each of them had a red hair gene that is recessive.  Can it happen that way with dogs?  Can 2 poodley looking F1b's produce a lab looking puppy?

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Yes, but it would be a long shot.

[Adina P]

Probably as frequently as ALD's create those throwback coated puppies that look like curly coated retrievers.

[Deanna & Desi & Cori]

I'm a fairly smart person, but I gave up long ago trying to understand the F1, F2, A/B stuff.  My Sedona is a "multigenerational" labradoodle, which to me means "adorable".  

Both of your puppies are cutie pies!!!  

[Amber and the doods]

Haha, thanks Deanna.  I get the lineage stuff, I just DON'T get why my pup wouldn't be an F2b.  And of course it doesn't matter what they are, either way they're "mutts" and I love them.  ;)

[Lisa, Daisy & Dexter]

Daisy is an F1b Goldendoodle

Dad is 100% poodle

Mom is an F1 Goldendoodle

Of course that is her generation, what is her %? Who knows! LOL Percentage of love would be 100%

[Amber and the doods]

My Scout's mom is an F2 Goldendoodle, dad is 100% poodle.  To me and my brain this would make her an F2b, which is what the breeder says is a "true" F2b but that doesn't seem to agree with what most people are saying.  What do you think Lisa?  F1b or F2b?  lol!

[Lisa, Daisy & Dexter]

IMO your Scout indeed is an F2B.

If I were stupid and bred Daisy to a 100% poodle I would think her pups would have been F2B's - whatever the heck that is - ha ha.

But again - I may be wrong this is all only as I understood it and apparently I am old now, ask the ladies here on DK, specifically Laurie and Ricki oh and Karen. :-)

[Jennifer and Jack]

Jack is an F1b, His mom was a Mini Golden doodle bred to a mini poodle.