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Refused Metronidazole
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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It infuriates me too. It doesn't take a DVM degree to figure out that pieces of a rope toy in the digestive tract would cause vomiting and diarrhea, or that an antibiotic would be of no use for that kind of diarrhea. Nor would Whole Grain Corn, Brewers Rice, Dried Egg Product, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, or Pork Fat, which are the ingredients in Hill's i/d.
Hills is extremely powerful with veterinarians and other pet care providers. They spent a fortune wooing and courting these professionals. All kinds of incentives, perks, gifts, kickbacks, you name it. They invite them on all-expenses paid junkets to tour their facilities, complete with all kinds of gifts, and the sales pitch is close to brainwashing, IMO. And of course, they provide all the nutrition information and education that most vets ever get, in or outside of school.
My concern would be that there might still be bits of the rope toy in the gut that aren't visible on the Xray. Hopefully they will pass on their own. Proviable would be a good idea.
The Core formula would also be a good idea down the road, but you're right that this wouldn't be the best time to switch foods.
It the loose stool continues or there is any more vomiting, I'd give him a homemade bland diet for a few days. 50% plain boiled white meat chicken finely diced, 50% plain white rice or mashed sweet potatoes.
As for the day care treats, find out exactly what kind they are. I'll give you some information on the ingredients to show the daycare providers, that should disabuse them of the notion that "these are really good treats", lol.
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Permalink Reply by Marie + Marshall on
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Karen I'm concerned too about possible bits still being there. But honestly I would have to do a sonogram I guess to know for sure? I was already in for $320.00 and she didn't suggest it anyhow. I'm going to the store tomorrow and get chicken and sweet potatoes. And if it starts up again, I'll do that diet. And I've taken away any and all soft toys/rope etc. he is eating up everything- it's scary. Pulling mulch/pine cones out of his mouth has become a pasttime lately. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by BG and Gavin on
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My DH went with Gavin to the vet once and came home with 2 cans of Rx food. I did not say a word before he said "I know, I know, I will drop it off at the shelter." He did not want to run contrary to the vet's advice. After a fecal test one time, the vet did ask me what I was feeding and I told he him grain free GO! He said he was not familiar with it but it sure was working as Gavin was in excellent shape and as far as poo goes, it was a darn good looking one lol. He said "don't change a thing."
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Jack's dermatologist was the one who recommended Orijen for him. My regular vet had never heard of it.
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And I should say that the fact that our vets have never heard of Orijen or Petcurean doesn't make them bad vets. I am sure that my doctor hasn't heard of some of the brands of food that I eat, either.
But our doctors aren't recommending or selling brands of food to us. They aren't pretending to be experts in nutrition. They might tell us to eat or drink (or not eat or drink) a specific thing, like yogurt or orange juice, but they don't say "Get some Dannon or some Tropicana", and they sure don't sell it.
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You are right. My vet is a great guy and he has not even suggested that we buy food from him except for the Rx stuff and I beleive it is because he believes it would be helpful to Gavin. He offered it one other time and I said I was going to make my own chicken and rice mix and he said that was good too. The goal was something easy to digest.
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Permalink Reply by Adina P on
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I wish one of the high quality brands would pursue veterinarians. In the pharmaceutical world there isn't just ONE company that makes all the drugs. And while dog food is not a drug, it is ridiculous that Hills has cornered the market with vets.
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Purina and Royal Canin (Mars, Inc) have a small piece of that pie, too. Most vets carry some of their foods and probiotics as well.
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Karen I meant to ask. Besides the fact it is made by Hills. Is the fast balance GI any good at all?
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Hard to say. It has some probiotics, but not enough to do much good, and a lot of things that are pretty much worthless.
But it's made by VetriScience.
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OK. I am literally ready to pull my hair out. Ever since this episode last week I have been giving a little pumpkin and or cooked mashed sweet potatoes with dinner. Everything has been fairly normal with poos...UNTIL 3:30am this morning. And again what could mostly be described as very loss stools. Now last night was also his first dose of the Proviable DC (as it just came in). This morning at 7am he had movement and it was formed. This dog is determined to make me crazy. Of course in the back of my mind I am thinking the rope toy..But he is acting and eating/drinking completely normal (this whole week) and NO vomiting since last Thursday. And, I can not see sedating him again and another $400.00 for the complete x-ray, fecal and so on. I should add on Tuesday I was told that he was digging and eating dirt (it happen two days in a row) they have now moved him to a different yard. We are headed in to the weekend. Go with a bland diet again? Give the proviable DC a chance? Remember, I refused the meds..so I can just imagine what Vet would say. Or, I am just going to make the switch to grain free!! Feeling crazy over this dog and his poos!
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If he's eating dirt, there's a good chance he has giardia; When the need is so urgent that they wake you, and then have very loose stool, that's a pretty good sign of giardia. It has a 10-14 day incubation period and doesn't show up in every stool sample , so it can sometimes takes a couple of fecal tests to show. It also depends on what kind of testing they do; you want what's called a fecal float test. So you might try bringing in a couple of samples and asking them to run another fecal.
IF he does have giardia, Panacur is the best treatment for that, not metronidazole.
If the fecal is negative again, you might still ask for 3 days worth of Panacur.
The Proviable does take some time to get a good gut bacteria going, too.
So I'd have another fecal done, and in the meantime, put him back on the bland diet and continue with the Proviable.
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