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What the local cardiologists group says about grain free/legume dog food

background: Dinah tested by cardiologist for heart problems was advised to switch to Hills or Purina.  cardiologist was not specific beyond that.

So I try my vets office to obtain food.  I get all sorts of explanation from the vet tech-receptionist? Who tells me it will have to be researched before I order the product!  Later I get an email from one of the vets with more “issues” and a link to the Tufts University and a local group of cardiologists.  What a hornets nest!

i tried copying the webpage for you to read here, but you may prefer the direct link.  Here goes.

Pet Nutrition Resources for Pet Owners, Grain-Free


In July of 2018, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced an investigation of grain-free, dog food diets and a common type of canine heart disease  – dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM).  One of CVCA’s board-certified veterinary cardiologists, Steven Rosenthal, DVM, Diplomate, ACVIM (Cardiology), was interviewed for The New York Times article: Popular Grain-Free Dog Foods May Be Linked to Heart Disease. View the links below for additional information and review questions and answers from the FDA here.

CVCA Guidance for Pet Owners

    At this point in time, we are not certain of the exact causal relationship between grain-free and/or high legume diets in atypical dog breeds with dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM).  Taurine deficiency of these pet foods does not appear to be the primary issue in these DCM patients as we have found normal taurine levels in many of these pets with DCM.  However, in some breeds such as the Cocker Spaniel and Golden Retriever, we have found low plasma taurine levels.

     At this time, if there is not a clinical reason (i.e. food allergies or gastrointestinal upset) for use of a limited ingredient, unique protein source (kangaroo, alligator, bison, etc.) diet, we would suggest using alternative diets.  Consultation with a board-certified veterinary nutritionist should be considered.  Another possible consideration is to use two/three pet foods from different manufacturers including a diet that is not full of legumes (lentils, chickpeas, peas) and has some grain in the product.  As we continue to investigate the link between the increased incidence of dilated cardiomyopathy in atypical canine breeds with grain-free diets, we hope to ultimately determine the definitive issue but, for now, we currently do not have that answer.

Your Dog’s Diet 

Reconsider your dog’s diet. If you’re feeding a boutique, grain-free, or exotic ingredient diets, I would reassess whether you could change to a diet with more typical ingredients made by a company with a long track record of producing good quality diets.  And do yourself a favor –  stop reading the ingredient list.  Although this is the most common way owners select their pets’ food, it is the least reliable way to do so.  And be careful about currently available pet food rating websites that rank pet foods either on opinion or on based on myths and subjective information. It’s important to use more objective criteria (e.g., research, nutritional expertise, quality control in judging a pet food). The best way to select what is really the best food for your pet is to ensure the manufacturer has excellent nutritional expertise and rigorous quality control standards (see our “Questions you should be asking about your pet’s food” post).

 

Change your dog’s diet to one made by a well-known reputable company and containing standard ingredients (e.g., chicken, beef, rice, corn, wheat). Changing to a raw or homecooked diet will not protect your dog from this issue (and may increase the risk for other nutritional deficiencies).  If your dog requires a homecooked diet or has other medical conditions that require special considerations, be sure to talk to a veterinarian or a veterinary nutritionist (acvn.org) before making a dietary change.  You can contact the Cummings Nutrition Service to schedule an appointment (vetnutrition@tufts.edu)

 

Q & A  – Grain-Free Dog Foods

To find many of the questions and answers submitted to us via Facebook, please visit our Q&A page.  Or, check out our Facebook Live video with Dr. Steven Rosenthal here.  

Cummings Veterinary Medical Center at Tufts University 

American College of Veterinary Nutrition (ACVN)

The World Small Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA)

Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO)




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A lot of what you've said here is what I've been thinking.

I also think that people who see veterinary cardiologists are not feeding their dogs Ol' Roy. I think their statistics are skewed in regard to what percentage of dogs affected by this are eating grain-free "boutique" foods. 
In the 2007 recalls, Iams and Eukanuba were among the very worst, and those were (are) owned by Mars. All foods involved contained ingredients imported by Menu Foods (third party food broker) and that was the big problem. The companies who actually sold the food had no idea where any of the ingredients came from. That's true of all multi-national corporations, and it's the reason we don;t recommend their products here. 

Well Shoot Me in the Foot.  While my local veterinarian is not helping me select appropriate food for Dinah, I Did go around to read all the labels....and dar-n if Royal Canin was the one without the peas and garbanzo beans.  So for the moment, that’s what she’s eating.  It has chicken fat in it and she is gobbling it up faster than she did the Acana!  Go figure.

Wish me luck figuring out how to deal with this local vet.

The vets love Royal Canin. Which formula did you get? 

Mini Adult.  10 months to 8 yrs.  9 to 22 lbs.  I seem to remember from decades ago a controversy about “flavor hooks” in kibble...back when people fed mostly wet food to cats.  Last night she devoured her dinner again.  I’m glad, but intrigued.

A friend of mine joined the FB group and showed me the results they are tabulating. It's interesting, but these figures are totally skewed because in most cases only those with positive results are reporting them. Also interesting is that now they are diagnosing it in raw fed dogs - dogs on raw diets eat predominantly meat, maybe a few veggies, so how can legumes be causing it??????

None of it makes any sense, and I really believe that when the smoke clears, this increase in cases of DCM will have nothing to do with whatever food the dogs were eating. 
But in the meantime, Hills and Purina are going to do their best to have as many people as possible believing that only their products are safe.  

When I went food shopping for a new brand, I was shocked to see that 90% of the grocery store varieties are touting grain free. Since I’ve done all my canine shopping at pet stores I hadn’t seen the changes to the grocery store varieties.

yes, and a lot of those grain-free foods sold in grocery stores are Purina. They are covering all their bases. "Grain-free is no good, but we make and sell it anyway." In my family, we call that "talking out both sides of your mouth." (We actually subsitute a different body part for "mouth")
I mean, take a look at their "Beyond" line.
https://www.beyondpetfood.com/dog

Notice how they emphasis "No corn wheat or soy". And "traceable sources". Not North American sources, mind you, but at least they can tell you which Chinese supplier the stuff comes from. 
And none of that nasty corn and wheat that we're promoting and selling to your vet.

Ok, well the desparate are always looking for good news...so I’m pinching myself....Dinah is recovering from strenuous play faster...a Lot faster.  Last night she romped with the young bulldog next door.  I let it go on a little too long and was watching to see if she was panting for a long time afterwards.  Not bad, considering.  I made a note to be grateful.  Now this morning, we had our usual frisbee toss/roll and she had more stamina, and was not panting heavily and at length afterwards.

its only been 3 days of switching food.  I hope I’m not imagining things.  Doesn’t seem possible.  Kinda happy crazy.

And she is not receiving any treatment? No meds, supplements, nothing? 

No time to ask the vet about giving her taurine supplements, which is a great idea.

it’s possible that the Australian Labradoodles, since there are some 5 different breeds mixed with the poodle has one of the susceptible genes I suppose.  I’ll just have to keep observing and hope it continues.  I must confess it’s making me feel a bit crazy.  How could this be?

It completely baffles me, especially after viewing the ingredients in the Royal Canin food. 

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