What REAL European Moyen Poodles look like

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

A dear friend and my go-to person for everything Poodle posted this in our FB Poodle group. I hope the video link works.
Here are her comments on the videos:

Just wanted to share videos I saw recently of this lovely Moyen Poodle in Slovakia. He is 39cm which equals around 15.4"

Great dog, I'd love to have one like him (look at his cute attitude!) but I also want people to see what size real European Moyens actually are. In type, temperament, and health issues, Moyens are the same variety as our US Miniatures.

Moyen seems to be the new breeding buzz word and people are using it for all manner of dogs that they are churning out. Two days ago, I saw someone offering a Toy stud for use as a "moyen" breeding dog and I saw another breeder advertising a litter of regular Standards as moyens.

Buyer beware.

Me again.

"Moyen" Poodles are NOT created by breeding a Standard Poodle with a Miniature or Toy Poodle.

However, this is what you are getting with most American bred "Moyen" Poodles, including those used by doodle breeders.
It's important to be aware that the temperaments and genetics of Standard Poodles are different from those of Miniatures, and both are different from those of Toys. There are genetic diseases that run in Standards but not in the smaller size Poodles, and vice versa. When you mix size lines, you create lines that can potentially have ALL of the genetic diseases that all three size Poodles can carry. 

It is a very dangerous and foolish thing to do. 
Before buying a doodle puppy who has a "Moyen" parent, I would ask to see the pedigree. AKC registrations include the dog's size classification (Standard, Miniature, Toy abbreviated as S, M or T) and it will be easy to know if this "Moyen" is indeed the product of the breeding of two different size Poodles.
If that is the case, and you still want to buy the puppy, you need to check the health clearances very carefully for all of the genetic diseases known to run in both sizes. 

https://www.facebook.com/petra.vyhlidkova.5/videos/pcb.222704180397...

https://www.facebook.com/petra.vyhlidkova.5/videos/pcb.222704180397...

And here's a photo:

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Kind of makes me want to shave Jasper's face, or at least trim it close, and see what his bone structure is like. And it makes their noses look so much bigger, lol.
Audrey is the biggest of the litter, at 16 plus inches and 19 lbs. Winston is 16 inches and 18 lbs. 

[Stacy]

I'm getting used to the shaved faces. I still love a fluffy face, but I don't hate the shaved look. I really like Audrey's bell bottoms. I want to do that with Maggie, but I don't think the groomer thinks I can handle it. Legs are really hard to brush!

I hope no one is disappointed that they turned out big. I bet it makes them even faster in agility! 

I think you could trim Jasper down once to see what he looks like. It's just hair, it would grow back. Or maybe you would decide you liked him like that. Or not. But they do have pretty faces. And it's so much easier to photograph them when they don't have hair in their eyes. I've really noticed that with the black poodles. I bet I could get a picture of Katie if I shaved her face. Never gonna happen.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Those "bell bottoms" are called "bracelets". That's one new thing I learned about Poodle clips recently. 
Nobody is disappointed that they turned out big. Not showing them. I chose this litter because i knew they had the potential to be oversized, and I think the other owners did too. :)

[Stacy]

I can't believe how much they've grown! When I saw them they were just little puppy lumps. And now they're all grown up. I think Audrey looks very proud of whatever she killed in that first photo. I hope it wasn't the whole couch! 

Okay, bracelets. But I still think they look like bell bottoms. All she needs is a headband and a little vest with flowers and she would have made an amazing hippie for Halloween. It makes me want another one. Let's be honest, every puppy picture makes me want another one. 

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

Love this! Makes me giggle. Bell bottoms are back!

[Stacy]

I've always thought bell bottoms were a good look. Kind of balances out the top half and the bottom half!

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

I love these poodle faces. I think my son’s Babette also has a beautiful face. These make me want a poodle, many other poodles’ faces do not. Babette is a standard and is really tall. We all thought she’d be shorter so every time I see her I’m surprised all over again. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Most well-bred Standards are tall, especially the males. But most also weigh less than you might think. A well-bred Standard Poodle over 60 lbs is pretty rare, even the tall ones. I'm always flabbergasted when I see someone say that their doodle's Poodle parent weighed 80 lbs! I can't even imagine what kind of breeding could be behind that.

[J and Riley (and Luna)]

I ran into a goldendoodle (I think it was an f1) out on a walk... owner says the parents were both 50 lbs and their doodle was 100 lbs... I don't get it :p

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

I don't get it either, but I can tell you it didn't come from the Poodle side, lol.
I think a lot of people don't meet their dogs' fathers. I think some don't even meet the mother; a LOT of doodle breeders ship puppies sight unseen. If you don't meet the parents, you have no way of knowing how big they really are, or even who they really are, unless (as in Jasper's case) they are known champions you can view online and you have a registered pedigree (recorded in a searchable database)  so that you know that the dog you're being shown is actually the one who sired the litter, lol.

[J and Riley (and Luna)]

I mean I'd like to think that the number of breeders who try to "con" people is much smaller than the ones who are just doing what they say they are doing... regardless of proper pedigrees etc. that they are using the sires they say they are using.  For sure there will always be some who do shady things though.

I think if you find a breeder who does all the paperwork/checks/testing you'd expect then they've earned a bit of trust.

Unfortunately the vast majority of people just buy doodles from whoever so who knows what they are getting.

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

I can't remember what she weighs but it is less than Clancy.