F1B Goldendoodle vs. F1 Goldendoodle

[Rehfield]

Hi, we are going to visit a breeder in Bealeton, VA on Saturday to consider an F1B goldendoodle but are also considering an F1 goldendoodle from another local breeder in VA.  We are thinking the F1B is the way to go as shedding is a concern for us but really want to keep more of the golden look and are struggling with our decision.  According to the breeder the F1B has more of a wavy coat and should look similar to an F1 with the benefit of the non-shed.  The breeder is Frank Reinhardt if anyone has purchased a dog from them. We have not visited him yet but he sounds honest and says all the right things on the phone but you never know. We are requesting references now of our doodle families. Anything thoughts on these would be appreciated!

[BG and Gavin]

Breeder recommendations cannot be done on the main page,http://www.doodlekisses.com/notes/Community_Guidelines  but people can comment on your page or send you a private message about the breeder you have listed.  Also please read this link http://www.doodlekisses.com/notes/What_To_Look_for_In_a_Breeder to ensure the breeders you are considering meet all the criteria.  Even an F1B is not a guaranteed non-shedder and the more it looks like a golden, the more it will shed like one.  If shedding is a deal breaker you would be better to look at getting a pure-bred non-shedder like a poodle.  Good luck and welcome to DK!

[Rehfield]

Thanks for the follow up and information. We are not looking for non-shedder guaranteed but less shedding is definitely a consideration.

[BG and Gavin]

In my opinion, a light shedder is better than a non-shedder because they mat much less and less time and expense is spent on grooming.  Plus you can keep their coats longer and more doodley.  Others may feel differently though :)

[Jane, Guinness and Murphy]

I never thought of it that way, but that is a valid point.  My guys don't shed at all, which I love after always having shedding dogs.  I do have them groomed every five weeks though, so I never have to worry about brushing them or dealing with mats (I just comb them once a week).  I guess if they did shed, I wouldn't have to worry about that, and I could go longer between groomings.

[BG and Gavin]

Yes we only go to the groomer 3-4 times per year.  I don't find a lot of hair around my house but will find tumble weeds under the fridge and can pull hair out in the brush.  Black velour pants will pick up a few hairs too if he leans into you.  I think I got lucky with a good balance.

[Allyson, Peri & Taquito]

I agree with this.  Peri is groomed every 2ish months and is an F1. Hardly sheds, but her coat is still manageable.  When I wear certain black workout pants, her hair will stick to them...and we do find the occasional tumble weed, but it's not bad at all. I like the F1 look :)

[Adina P]

As long as you're okay with the possibility of shedding (because there's no way to tell if the shedding will be light or heavy) then either is fine.

[Jessica, Loki and Moose]

Loki is an F1 and I don't see noticeable shedding on myself and my clothes but like BG and Gavin said I do occasionally find tumble weeds in tiled areas. It is nice that his matting is very easily managed by regular brushing even as he's going through his coat change.

[Ginny Nightingale]

How old are the puppies now? If they are still young, those that will have a wool coat like a poodle and lots of curls (and most likely non-shedding) will already have lots of "ripples" in their coat--if they have less rippling, they might have the waves that the breeder mentioned--so, you can tell pretty early on if they will have a wool coat--Here is an example of a pup that ended up with a wool coat--here she is just a week old.

[Rehfield]

He is actually 9 weeks. He is the left over runt of the litter, which is good for us as we want a medium sized dog.  Mother is a goldendoodle and father is a smaller standard black poodle.  Breeder says puppy will mature to about 45 pounds. He has less ripples though and definitely looks like more of a fleece coat than a wool coat.  Again, we don't need non-shedding but were just thinking we would have more luck with less shedding in an F1B vs. F1. Thanks for the comments and help!

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Please read the link that Bruce Girl posted on What to look for in a Breeder. The breeder you named has no mention of any genetic health testing done on his breeding dogs. That, coupled with the fact that his prices are well below what reputable goldendoodle breeders are charging is a red flag. Please ask to see proof of genetic health testing on the dam and sire before purchasing any puppy, this is very important. Both poodles and GRs are prone to myriad genetic health problems.

 

[Rehfield]

Thanks for the information. We have health information and other details, they just don't have a more developed website that list it. Actually the F1 doodle breeder we are considering does not have a website at all so I am not as worried about the website disclosure if the breeder still provides it.  As for price, I appreciate the opinion but in my review the prices have been all over the place and I don't think 1200 is that low based on the comparisons I have seen.  I guess I would say $1800-2000 is more of the average, but that is really only comparing prices on the breeders websites and again they are all over the place and driven by location in my opinion.  Anyway, thanks for the thoughts.