Are Chocolate goldendoodles a rare color?

[Lynne of Fountain Falls]

We just had two darling chocolate f1b babies born, along with their 4 white and 1 black siblings.  I've been looking for a nice chocolate adult picture as Ive not seen an adult chocolate.  Most of what I'm seeing are labradoodles. Im sure someone has a chocolate adult goldendoodle they would like to show me.  Thanks.

[Lisa, Daisy & Dexter]

Daisy WAS chocolate, now she is a mix of chocolate and white...take a look at our page. Her daddy is a white and chocolate "parti" Standard poodle and her mommy is a F1 "black" Goldendoodle making Daisy an F1B

[Jane, Rooney & Stuart]

Aww, they are so cute!

[Jennifer,Chloe & Myla]

Not sure about that either- I've seen all Labradoodles also now tha I think about it=they are cute though!!!!!!

[1xar0x2rcx0li]

They are rare in the first generation. The vast majority of golden retrievers are BBee meaning all offspring will be black if the express dark pigment, even if mated to a brown poodle. They would be "Bb". To get a brown GD it's takes another generation breeding to a brown line. Its easy to get brown F1b GDs but there are fewer breeders doing F1b GDs than there are doing F1b Labradoodles because GDs tend to have "better" (fuller, less shedding) coat in an earlier generation compared to LDs. So brown GDs are more rare, but there is a logical reason for it. As more GD breeders keep their own stick and mice up in generations it may become less rare.

[Lynne of Fountain Falls]

Thank you so much for that information.  You told me several things I did not know.  I didn't realize that GD were less shedding first generation that LD.  I've only researched GD.  I also think it has to do with the type of coat the poodle has.  We found with Honey,a standard poodle, who has more dense wirey coat, that her GD off spring does shed some.  With Tucker, standard poodle. very soft coat, his GD off spring sheds either none or very little.  May be just a coincidence but one worth checking into.  I always love learning new things about these wonderful dogs.  The more I know the better informed I will be about how to best improve my lines.   Tucker parti chocolate and white and Fae, English golden retriever produced five colors in one litter.  White, black, phantom, sable and a color that people call all kinds of things but it looks like calico.  Orange, caramel, brown, black and some white.  I had three that color and they are really stunning. What I would really like to breed for is parti.  It has been difficult to find a parti stud other than my own.  Thanks again.  Lynne

[Carol Brand]

Just a note for your own edification...  The color you are talking about in Poodles is always referred to as just Brown.  Labs and Doodles are Chocolate, but Poodles are only ever called Brown (or one of the brown spectrum colors such as Cafe or Silver Beige).  Funny when you think about it.  You would think that the Poodle folks would have come up with a fancier name like Truffle or Coco.

 

Who is the Brindle dog in the picture? 

[Lynne of Fountain Falls]

Yes, the poodle pedigree always says Brown but when poodle people talk the usually refer to the color as Chocolate or that has been my experience.  I find it amusing that some breeds come up with names like "phantom" for a doberman markings, and others like poodles just use brown.  

The puppy in the picture is from my last litter of my English Golden and Parti male poodle.  I had three of them.  They are not brindle as there is not pattern or striping.  There was a lot of discussion just what to call them.  Some said they were sable but I dont think so.  They had four distinct colors in their coat.  Most of the colors ran all the way to the root of the hair.  They are really beautiful as they mature.  If you look at Miss August in The doodle kisses calendar, there is and adult named Sheba on August, that looks just like them.  Her owner graciously let me use her picture to market my babies.  They were the first ones to go.  I can only describe the color as Calico.  

[Mustard Seed Ranch]

 

I have chocolate adults and have chocolate litters so you can see some on my website. Not promoting myself, just answering your request for pictures. I will email my website address to you privately. Teri at Goldens n Doodles uses my chocolate boy too! They are not as common sonce as has been mentioned you need both parents to carry the chocolate gene and Goldens dont carry it , really, though there are a few rare ones that due. You can get chocolates easier in the F1b and later generations but you also get a lot of blacks and cream to gold as well. Chocolate to chocolate will produce almost all chocolates unless both parents also carry the cream gene then you get mostly chocolates with some caramels too.

 

I just LOVE chocolate doodles

[Jennifer Tramell]

My Webster is an f2 chocolate goldendoodle.  His dad is a black f1 but his dad had 1 brown brother (an f1 chocolate is rare) in the litter.  His mom is a blond f1 but her dad was a cafe-au-lait poodle. Webster was the only chocolate in a litter of 10 puppies.  He had 4 black siblings, 2 caramel (blond with rose pigmentation), and 3 blond siblings. 

Because of Webster's unique coloring, I did a little research and found out that originally the Golden Retriever was the blond color of the Flat Coated Retriever.  Flat Coated Retrievers came in black, blond, and brown before the breed was split and blonds became "Golden Retrievers".  It is not common but it is possible for a golden retriever to carry the brown gene - obviously this was the case with the goldens in Webster's family tree.  Webster has lightened to a cafe-au-lait?  I have more pics on my page but I do find it difficult to take a picture which accurately displays Webster's coloring - he either looks light or darker.  I also have him on the "Puppy to Adult" group showing his color phases.

[Lynne of Fountain Falls]

Thanks so much.  The cafe or light chocolate is very pretty.  Does anyone know of a chocolate that kept the dark color.?

 

[1xar0x2rcx0li]

1/2 of the chocolate labradoodles we produce maintain their brown colour and 1/2. There should be pictures on my page of adults if interested.