Anyone had this issue with their puppy's bite?

[Ginny Nightingale]

A few pups in the litter i am raising have one or both lower canine teeth (baby teeth right now) that are growing up and hitting the upper palate instead of going to the OUTSIDE of the upper jaw--I have been told that the puppy teeth that are doing that should be removed and then you hope that the jaw grows wider and the adult teeth are properly placed....has anyone dealt with this in their pup and if so, how did it turn out?

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

Interesting.

I just met a puppy with what looked like a 100 teeth. She had a severe under bite.  So much so, she appeared to be smiling. That's when I looked in her mouth and found so many teeth.  It really was bizarre looking. So severe.

I wonder if she had the same problem and it caused her bite to shift to accommodate all those teeth. Wonder if some were pulled she would have a somewhat normal mouth?  

I was told, the REDS have this problem more than other colors. Anyone ever hear any truth to that?

Maybe what I am talking about it a completely different issue?  But I am still wondering because I was somewhat shocked to see a dog's mouth with so much going on inside

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Well, the gene pool for red poodles is by far the shallowest of all the colors, with all red poodles coming from just two lines, at least in this country. It would make sense that there would be more genetic issues in reds than in the colors with the deeper gene pools, and BNC is genetic.

But the doodles I've known with BNC have all been white or cream.

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

I also did some research at the time and found no statements to back that up

Thought I would ask here since there were dental issues going on. Perhaps, this under bite  is not the same issue?  I thought when I saw so many teeth, it may be something similar And/Or, it was going on because of the same situation.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

BNC is not an underbite, and not related to too many teeth (that one I've not heard of). It's explained prettty well in the links I posted, but basically it's malocclusion problem where the two lower canines are pointed straight up instead of angling slightly outward, so they hit the upper palate when the dog's mouth is closed (or even partially closed), and even puncture the palate. It's very painful. It can occur because of the lower jaw is too narrow for the upper jaw, if i understand it correctly.

[Joanne ~ Spud*]

That's how I understood it too.  Too bad I did not take a picture because, a lot of what I read ( your links)  did sound like this issue but I can't be sure. 

All the teeth in this particular mouth looked like a jigsaw puzzle but I don't remember the canines ( darn )  So much going on in there but I can't get an accurate picture in my mind now.   But I am suspicious. 

Thinking now, if some were pulled it may straighten out the jaw.  Oh well.  I'm hoping the dog's owner and its vet will get it figured out soon and the dog is not in pain.

Thank you.

[Ginny Nightingale]

Thanks for all the help everyone, I will do the reading tonight and share with the new owners...

[Laura]

We had this issues with my now 9 month old double doodle.  Our vet called it a malocclusion and recommended the baby teeth be pulled.  Ours wasnt' the most severe case so we decided to monitor the baby teeth and work on ball therapy (keeping a ball in her mouth as much as possible.) This did work wonders and the lower teeth angled out!  At 5 months the Adult lower canines were coming in and the babies weren't showing any signs of coming out so we did have them pulled to ensure the adult teeth had room to come in.  Her teeth now are perfectly fine!!  Interestingly enough to some of the other comments she is a red doodle, and my breeder told me that the vet was just digging for money when I told her that the 8 week old puppy had teeth problems.  I think it can be hit or miss and will depend on the severity of the jaw line to pull the teeth or not.  My vet indicated that the concern would be for the teeth to create a "lock jaw" situation where the lower jaws are not able to grow properly as the dog grows.  

[Ginny Nightingale]

Yes, I heard this lockjaw idea from the vet checking my pups also--I am glad it all worked out for you!!!

I will certainly tell the new owners to watch for the baby teeth being retained--IF, that is, they have not had them extracted already...

[Ginny Nightingale]

PS-breeders and vets are often at odds--I have noticed this so much and I am NOT a breeder but work for one, so i try to walk the line between the two groups--I think that breeders are often asked to pay for the vet care when the pup has an issue (and perhaps, rightly so and it even may be in a contract) so there is definitely a conflict of interest there--

[Cindy and Olive (Ollie)]

We are having base narrowbite issue. I would like to learn more about ball therapy as our vet encouraged us to try three times a day to simply hand press them out, which we find impossible! Having trouble getting into his mouth but ball might be easier. Anyone have a link? Thx

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

http://www.toothvet.ca/PDFfiles/ball_%20therapy.pdf

[Cindy and Olive (Ollie)]

Karen to my rescue again! Thx!rippley's is not too bad it seems and hoping we can press them forward manually (difficult) or that he develops a liking to balls soon (not so much)... Any ideas on how to make this easier are appre iated, thx!