For All You Facebookers.....

[Brittney & Cally]

I just have to vent. We all know FB is not the place to go for information. Why I try still fathoms me but I do so whatever. Someone on FB asked for reputable breeder suggestions, so I suggested two of my favorite and very well know Michigan breeders. They said early socialization, health guarantees, spay and neuter contracts, and health and genetic testing were important to them so that is really the only reason I bothered to answer. I also stated and agreed why those things are so important.

Well here is a prime example for all of you who doubt us when we say do not get your information from FB.

This was someone's response to my answers....

In my humble opinion, getting a pup from a reputable breeder isn't that big of a deal. A Goldendoodle will be a good dog if you, the owner is a good pack leader, provider, and trainer. Let me just say no pups are going to come perfect, you have to train it to the way you like it. You get a dog to train it, not have it trained then delivered to your house .. it takes all the fun away from it ..

While it is good to have health testing, many dogs at young age are not going to show any signs of health issues, they come up later. As for temperament training, I think all doodles have a good temperament, as a new dog owner how do you even measure what good temperament is .. they are puppies, they are going to be playful and jolly, if you went to meet your pup, you would see first hand how good of a temperament they have .. and as for early socialization, that really isn't an issue if YOU do your part on training your dog, puppy socializations and all that, these are all easy ways to get your pup socialized .. why do you need a breeder to help you socialize your dog? It's not like they had bad bad upbringings and they have human or dog aggression .. like dogs that are put in shelters .. Regarding the issue about the breeder requiring a commitment from the owners to spay/neuter all their puppies ... I think that this is not something you should ask of the breeders, the breeders don't spay and neuter their dogs .. why would they ask you to do such a thing, it makes them hypocrites .. Its a really (mind my language) dumb restriction that you put yourself in from finding a good pup.

if you want to find a pup the right way .. you MUST go meet the pup in person, look at his/her personality when you meet .. is he or she calm and submissive? if so, probably a good pup to pick since he/she will be easy to work with.

its really not about buying the perfect pup from the best breeder .. cause there is no such thing as a perfect pup ... but more so training your pup to become YOUR perfect version of a pup .
just my 2 cents.




I am not even going to respond but really??!?! Well, that's my rant for the day, carry on :)

[Rosemary (Ro) and Enzo]

LOL

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

: )

[Julie and Max]

This is one of the many reasons I don't like facebook lol

[Adina P]

The part about 'the perfect pup' is correct, but whoever this person is doesn't truly understand how health testing works or what 'temperament testing' means.  A good breeder knows her pups well and while there's no temperament testing that has passed some major scientific testing, she'll know what the pups are like.  A visitor might catch one pup in its mellow moment or its high energy moment--it won't give good feedback to most people.  The guy/gal just threw out so many strawman arguments like the fully trained puppy delivered to your door--no good breeder would advertise that because no puppy is 'trained' as a puppy.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Adina, I'm guessing this is one discussion you won't be featuring on the DK FB page. LOL

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

I can see it now:

"Are Facebook Doodle Owners Dumb? See what our members think here:" 

[Brittney & Cally]

Hmm...kind of like the sound of it :) It has a nice ring to it, lol!

[Rose Coward]

It wasn't such a bad post, except I would think that early socialization is important, though I'm no dog psychologist, perhaps I'm wrong and dogs are quite resilient and easily rehabilitated. (Though I would prefer to err on the side of a generous socialization of puppies).  I absolutely agree with the idea of dumping the breeder if they plan to impose their "must spay and neuter" restriction on me. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

The majority of us here feel very differently. It is widely agreed and accepted among educated and responsible pet owners, breeders, and animal welfare organizations that all pets should be spayed or neutered, and that any breeder who does not include a mandatory spay/neuter clause in the purchase agreement is not acting ethically nor responsibly. 

Genetic health testing is also necessary and done by all reputable and ethical breeders before breeding any dog. 

You may be interested in the DK Guidelines on what to look for in a breeder: http://www.doodlekisses.com/notes/What_To_Look_for_In_a_Breeder

[Brittney & Cally]

Amen!

[Cheryl and Finnegan]

Agreed, Karen!  Some of us feel differently about what age a dog should be spayed or neutered, but all pets should be spayed or neutered.

[Rosemary (Ro) and Enzo]

Rose: just of curiosity, why would you NOT spay or neuter, if you did not plan to breed?
What possible reason could one have?
Hopefully, you realize this is not a gesture to " corner the market" and to " limit the competition" of other Breeders. But solely to breed the best possible traits and health and ensure the continued improvement of the Breed.
There is nothing more frustrating than spending literally thousands of dollars to ensure you have the best possible breeding pair and someone wants come along and wants to breed their puppy to the next door neighbor's dog because he's cute. Or because their child wants to see a puppy being born. Thankfully, with the PBs, the Breeder could mark the AKC papers with no breeding rights and any puppy born out of a litter would not be able to be registered.
I don't think you'd have to worry about dumping the Breeder, as no reputable Breeder would agree to sell to you.