Labradoodle & Goldendoodle Forum
Something to think about...
I was thinking about this for a few weeks now and with some of the discussions on the main forum I think that it would be a good time for us to talk about it. I was wondering if we should establish a code of ethics or maybe something like a mission statement for the GRAD group and as always I would like input on this. Please leave comments below to how you feel about this and ideas you feel are important to the group.
As we grow and as Doodlekisses grows I believe that we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. We are one of the more active groups on the site, especially outside the forum and I would like for us to set some sort of goals and boundaries that as a group we would adhere to.
First off, we are a free group and will continue to be. It is open to all and the group belongs to everyone. Anyone can call for a gathering and I want everyone to feel as though they are welcome to bring any subject to the “table” so to speak. This group is simply designed for the love of our dogs and to represent the doodles as a new breed and yet unrecognized (not a mutt). GRAD is not here to make Doodles more popular than what they already are, but rather to inform and educate the public to their positive contributions to the canine world as well as pointing out the down sides (whatever that might be???).
Second, I think it’s important that our members of GRAD represent the group in a positive light, with kindness and caring attitudes to all. I am sure there will be disagreements within and outside of the group and it is important to remember the greater whole when these situations arise.
Third and probably most important is that the care of our doodles is of the utmost importance. It would be nice if members promise to care to the very best of their ability for their doodle. That shots are kept up to date, regular veterinarian care is given, that they are properly fed and in general are well cared for. If for any reason you are not able to care for your doodle please pledge to the group that you will ask for help. We are here for that and in turn I would ask that members pledge to help other owners in need. This may be a simple need like grooming, sitting, medical or even if a member is no longer able to care for their doodle. This does not mean that I am asking you to take someone’s dog but rather put forth ever effort to help find a suitable and qualified home if the need ever arises. Offer as much support as you are capable of giving.
One last thing that I have is that I would like to make available a form that would protect property owners if any one hosts a Doodle Romp. This would just be a standard form and would just give a little peace of mind to individuals who do choose to host home events. I have re-worked up a draft that was giving to me by Adina from the IDOGs Doodle Romps and it is very similar to forms that you sign for obedience class or doggy day care. I would also like input on this too.
Greater Richmond Area Doodle Group Waiver
"I____________________, understand that I am solely responsible for the health of my
(Print Name)
dog(s) and that they are up-to-date on vaccinations. Any medical issues that arise from
our participation, is my responsibility. I understand that I am solely responsible for any
harm caused to or by my dog(s) and family members while my dog(s) is/are on the
demised premise ___________________________. I hereby release and agree to hold
(Location Here)
harmless__________________________, it's owners, members, or agents of the Greater
(Location Here)
Richmond Area Doodles (GRAD) Group or Doodlekisses.com and their representatives,
from any and all liability, claims, suits, or damage of any nature or kind, or for any
liability, claims, suits, actions, loss, injury or damage which I, my family or my dog(s)
may sustain or which may be caused in any way by my dog(s). I specifically, without
imitation, agree to fully indemnify _____________________________ and the GRAD
(Location here)
Group or Doodlekisses.com Group. and/or their representatives, for any and all such
liability, claims, suits, actions, losses, injury or damage.
I certify that I have made full disclosure and have read, understand and accept the terms,
conditions and statements in this agreement. Furthermore, I acknowledge that this
agreement shall be effect and binding upon members of my family and or party."
_____________________ ______________________________
(Date) (Signature)
As we grow and as Doodlekisses grows I believe that we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. We are one of the more active groups on the site, especially outside the forum and I would like for us to set some sort of goals and boundaries that as a group we would adhere to.
First off, we are a free group and will continue to be. It is open to all and the group belongs to everyone. Anyone can call for a gathering and I want everyone to feel as though they are welcome to bring any subject to the “table” so to speak. This group is simply designed for the love of our dogs and to represent the doodles as a new breed and yet unrecognized (not a mutt). GRAD is not here to make Doodles more popular than what they already are, but rather to inform and educate the public to their positive contributions to the canine world as well as pointing out the down sides (whatever that might be???).
Second, I think it’s important that our members of GRAD represent the group in a positive light, with kindness and caring attitudes to all. I am sure there will be disagreements within and outside of the group and it is important to remember the greater whole when these situations arise.
Third and probably most important is that the care of our doodles is of the utmost importance. It would be nice if members promise to care to the very best of their ability for their doodle. That shots are kept up to date, regular veterinarian care is given, that they are properly fed and in general are well cared for. If for any reason you are not able to care for your doodle please pledge to the group that you will ask for help. We are here for that and in turn I would ask that members pledge to help other owners in need. This may be a simple need like grooming, sitting, medical or even if a member is no longer able to care for their doodle. This does not mean that I am asking you to take someone’s dog but rather put forth ever effort to help find a suitable and qualified home if the need ever arises. Offer as much support as you are capable of giving.
One last thing that I have is that I would like to make available a form that would protect property owners if any one hosts a Doodle Romp. This would just be a standard form and would just give a little peace of mind to individuals who do choose to host home events. I have re-worked up a draft that was giving to me by Adina from the IDOGs Doodle Romps and it is very similar to forms that you sign for obedience class or doggy day care. I would also like input on this too.
Greater Richmond Area Doodle Group Waiver
"I____________________, understand that I am solely responsible for the health of my
(Print Name)
dog(s) and that they are up-to-date on vaccinations. Any medical issues that arise from
our participation, is my responsibility. I understand that I am solely responsible for any
harm caused to or by my dog(s) and family members while my dog(s) is/are on the
demised premise ___________________________. I hereby release and agree to hold
(Location Here)
harmless__________________________, it's owners, members, or agents of the Greater
(Location Here)
Richmond Area Doodles (GRAD) Group or Doodlekisses.com and their representatives,
from any and all liability, claims, suits, or damage of any nature or kind, or for any
liability, claims, suits, actions, loss, injury or damage which I, my family or my dog(s)
may sustain or which may be caused in any way by my dog(s). I specifically, without
imitation, agree to fully indemnify _____________________________ and the GRAD
(Location here)
Group or Doodlekisses.com Group. and/or their representatives, for any and all such
liability, claims, suits, actions, losses, injury or damage.
I certify that I have made full disclosure and have read, understand and accept the terms,
conditions and statements in this agreement. Furthermore, I acknowledge that this
agreement shall be effect and binding upon members of my family and or party."
_____________________ ______________________________
(Date) (Signature)
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Tam on
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I love your passion! I also understand wanting everyone to take care of their dood; we can see from the shelter situation that all do not do that. I'll go out on a limb here and say that I would be less likely to attend a doodle romp if I had to sign a contract like this one. I mean, I take our dogs to public places such as Stony Point, The Ruff House etc w/o signing something like that. I'm just not comfortable with doing so. Doddlekisses.com is a public forum and is released from any harm via the user agreement, I would imagine, and GRAD is a part of that, right? I don't know. I CERTAINLY don't want to start/cause any problems because already I've learned SO much here and look forward to getting to know as many of you as possible. So please take this post in a way of conversation, just as if we were face to face talking it through. :) Thanks.
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Me again, does the contract hold me responsible if someone else's dog bites someone in my family? I am therefore signing away my rights to seek payment/damages if an (God forbid!) attack were to cause injury? I think it does:
I understand that I am solely responsible for any
harm caused to or by my dog(s) and family members while my dog(s) is/are on the
demised premise ___________________________. I hereby release and agree to hold
(Location Here)
harmless__________________________, it's owners, members, or agents of the Greater
(Location Here)
Richmond Area Doodles (GRAD) Group or Doodlekisses.com and their representatives,
from any and all liability, claims, suits, or damage of any nature or kind, or for any
liability, claims, suits, actions, loss, injury or damage which I, my family or my dog(s)
may sustain or which may be caused in any way by my dog(s).
Yikes, do you really have to agree to this for doggy day care and training classes? Wow, I just didn't know. -
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Permalink Reply by Belinda Stevens on
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Tam, Thank you for your input. This is what I am looking for. I want everyone to give their thoughts about this.
Ok... I thought the same thing but after re-reading and re-reading and probably yet again. It is saying if your dog hurts him or herself you won't hold the home owner responsible. Like lets say your dog jumps up and hurt its hip...you wouldn't hold the home owner to pay for the medical bill. That really is all this is for, the home owner, to protect people and make them feel that they don't have to worry is all. -
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Yeah, maybe it needs re-worded and made a little more simple. Please let me know if you have anymore thoughts. I really appreciate you thinking about it.
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Permalink Reply by 2widfg8okrqg5 on
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K- I'm gonna need more time to think, but WHY were you up at 4:46 in the a.m.?????
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Ha ha... not up at that time of the morning....trust me. Just for some reason that is the time stamp on it.
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Permalink Reply by Kelly & Cole on
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I have been thinking about this most of the day and have feelings for both sides. Part of me wants to say of course and the other part says this isn't really necessary. My whole family, boyfriend and his family are business owners, so I typically look at most things as a business and that you need to protect yourself. So in this case it does seem appropriate to have a form for members to sign if they will be attending a romp on your property; mostly to protect yourself. If something were to happen (accidentally of course), this would protect you and your family. I tend to be very naive about these issues as well, despite my background. In my honest opinion, I would never hold someone accountable for an accident (dog biting me or a family member, etc.) if I were at a romp or in the dog park. That is an assumed risk you are taking by attending such an event or place. On the other hand there are people out there looking for money and any way to get it, even at the expense of others (and of course this is no one in GRAD I am speaking of :-) ).
I was talking with Cole the other night about having everyone here because we have a fenced in yard, but signing a waiver was honestly something I had never thought of before, as we are all here for our doodles and for them to have fun.
The other component of this is, what if your dog is bitten or hurt by another dog while we are out, not on private property. In my opinion we are all friends and responsible dog owners. If Marley was playing with another dog and hurt, even bitten, I would absolutely not hold the other person responsible, accidents definitely happen. Especially in a large group of excited doodes. If you are out and another dog is off leash and "attacks" that is a different story, but I feel within our group we are all responsible, and, to the best of our abilities, would prevent any situation from arising .
Anyways, I know this kind of long and drawn out. I most definitely still want to have the doodles here to play and meet up at other places, with or without a waiver :-) So really after all of this I am torn as to say Yes or No, but will continue thinking about it.... -
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Kelly first off, thank you for thinking about this. I know this is a touchy subject.
I couldn't agree more with you. I had the first romp at my house without any waiver of any sort. But like I said, as the group grows my concern is that not everyone feels that way. A waiver would just be to protect the homeowner if they choose to have a romp and if they choose to sign have a waiver. I will always take full responsibility for my dog or my dogs actions as I am sure everyone in the group would. But just like in divorce nobody ever thinks something bad can happen. It would just be a protective measure is all. -
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