Considering a doodle litter

[Kat]

  I have a beautiful standard poodle bitch that I plan on breeding to another poodle later. I also am watching a gorgeous border collie boy for a few months. My bitch just went into heat and I'm seriously thinking about allowing the 2 to breed. The owner of the boy is interested as she got him to stud. He has a really good pedigree, really healthy lines. His parents were both health tested but he's still a little young for OFA. My poodle is also from clean lines just less impressive. There are show dogs in her lines but she wouldn't do well in the ring as she is a little long for her height. She is light apricot (mom red, dad white) her color varies in shade a little along her body and ears. The boy has a white head with freckles, brown eyes and dark sable on his body. He's long hair and has the most delightful disposition. He's the calmest BC I've ever met that didn't require hours of running to relax. My GSD is more active than him. The poodle is calm also just has a lot of sassy attitude.

 They are both so beautiful with the most delightful temperaments and are so smart that it is tempting. In the near future he will be moving across the country so if I want to breed them it is this heat or never. His owner has agreed to split expenses if we need to. We aren't sure what we should sell them for though. Since a standard of her quality sells for $1500, we were thinking 1/2. The pups should be exceptional. What is the average doodle litter size when mom is a std poodle?

 I've already researched everything I possibly can on pregnancy and whelping and since I'm home all the time that won't be a problem.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Are you asking about breeding your poodle with a border collie? I have never seen or heard of that combination before and can't imagine what the offspring would look like. Why would you want to do this?

[Camilla and Darwin]

I have met a Border Collie/Standard Poodle mix, and he was really cute, but he WAS very high strung. I would wait until the stud is old enough to be health tested. And I would ask yourself what your motive is for breeding them. Simply to see what would happen, or is there a real, valid reason you want to breed the two?

[Kat]

I've seen a few bordoodles before but just pictures. There is a lady in canada is breeding them. They were adorable (adult). They look like aussiedoodles. My hopes is that the pups will have traits from both parents, the gracefulness of the poodle and drive to please of the BC. I've had a couple 50% bc before and they were wonderful dogs that had the ability to alert to medical conditions. The poodle is from lines that have been known to alert and the BC is very smart, willing to please, and very laid back. She isn't as laid back as he is. Both breeds are smart so the pups should be intelligent. I would hope that a couple would have what it takes to become service dogs seeing as their mom is one.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

There are people all over breeding everything, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. The two breeds have almost nothing at all in common, and I don't think it sounds like a good combination of characteristics at all. People get labradoodles and goldendoodles because the retrievers are known for being such laid-back family dogs who are phenomenal with kids. Standard poodles and retrievers both come from sporting stock, they have a lot of traits in common. What would be the selling point of a borderdoodle?
Border collies are not good family pets and with all due respect to you, they are rarely suited as service dogs. Border collies are not known for their "drive to please". I suggest you ask this question in a border collie forum, if you have a thick skin.
I'm also interested in exactly what type of service dog your poodle is. What certifications does she have? What health testing has been done on her?

[Kaytlin and Cooper]

I dont see why Border Collies cant be good family pets! I know of a few.

[Adina P]

I think they CAN .. we have one =) It's just that the ones with a strong border collie drive have HUGE energy needs and can be very nippy, herding kids, etc. They definitely TYPICALLY require strong leadership and dog handling skills.

[Dan, Judi, & Timbow]

I googled borderdoodle and was linked to a couple border collie forums. You really do need thick skin to read them. I don't see any benefit of breeding the two. I feel like an old comment to Adina about is coming back to haunt me. I jokingly told her a few months ago that they should get a border collie/ poodle mix...but it was an innocent JOKE!

[Adina P]

Did you ever see the episode of Pushing Daisy's where someone had created a new breed: colador-russellpoo (border collie, labrador, jack russel, poodle mix). I think everything but the jack russell sounded good to me!

But if I were to combine a border collie with anything it'd probably be a lab. Glad I'm not breeding anything though...

[Ann Kendig]

When I was in grade school my older sister wanted a dog. My mom saw an ad in the paper for some puppies. They brought one home. Jiggs was a border collie/lab mix. She was so incredibly intelligent. The whole neighborhood would come over our house to play hide & seek with her. Someone would cover her eyes, everyone would hide and Jiggs would then find each and every one of us. The day she died there were many sad kids. My dad loved her but wouldn't admit it. My mom still talks about her to this day. By the way, when my sister got married and moved out of the house Jiggs stayed with us. There was no way any of us would let her leave! :)

[Kat]

There are many people who would not agree with you on the BC not being good service dogs. Within the service dog community I polled approx. 150 people who have service dogs (not therapy dogs). The most common was the unknown mutt. In purebreds Poodles were the most popular with GSD next. labs and goldens were tied with BC right behind separated by only 1 number. "Designer" breeds were the next most popular. Actually for the owner of the BC I'm taking care of now, he will be her 2nd BC service dog. I've placed a couple BC mixes (50%) and one of them has become a great service dog for a young girl and they live in an apartment too. The other was a little questionable during his evaluation and I didn't have the space to work with him then reevaluate him so I found him a nice home with a family that says he knows when they are getting sick before they do. If I had had more space and time to work with him, he might have also worked out. His biggest issue was he was afraid of automatic doors.

My poodle is a medical alert dog near being ready for her public access test. There is no such thing as certification in the US, anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or uninformed.

The BC started training as an older pup and is working towards his CGC. He's not one of those high strung BC that tend to come from people breeding for agility and flyball. I'm assuming those are the ones you are referring to when you say BC do not make good family pets. Have you ever had a BC? If you haven't how can you judge the whole breed from what you hear or have seen from people that don't know how to handle herding dogs. I had strong opinions about GSDs being aggressive until I got one myself and ended up keeping her. Though I swear she is a BC trapped in a GSD body.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

"Within the service dog community I polled approx. 150 people who have service dogs (not therapy dogs). The most common was the unknown mutt. In purebreds Poodles were the most popular with GSD next. labs and goldens were tied with BC right behind separated by only 1 number. "Designer" breeds were the next most popular"

I'd like to see this "poll", as your information flies in the face of every statistic or study on service dogs, (not therapy dogs). Please check with any of the recognized service dog associations such as Canine Companions for Independence, Guide Dogs for the Blind, NEADS, Assistance Dogs internat'l, or any of the other accredited programs. Currently in the United States, Labrador and Golden Retrievers are by far the most common breeds used as service dogs, with German Shepherds closely following.

"Have you ever had a BC? If you haven't how can you judge"
I have been a serious student of dog breeds for over 30 years, and my knowledge of the various breeds comes from many sources including books, personal experience, and dog behaviorists and trainers.
One needn't own something to know about it.
After all, as you stated in your post, you believe all a person needs to do to breed dogs is to "research everything you can about them." I suggest you do a little more research. Start with this:
http://www.bcrescue.org/bcwarning.html

[Sue, Murphy and Bella ()*o*()]

Is that what they are called, Bordoodles? never heard of it. Interesting. I will have to google it someday.