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Poor Murphy, Sick on his Birthday :( UPDATE, UPDATE #2 UPDATE #3 FINAL UPDATE, I hope
Today is our Murphy's 5th Birthday! And as some of you already know, he was born on my birthday, so its a double celebration! He usually gets Pupcakes and treats and visits from his brother and other family doodles.
But not this year. He and Bella did a bad thing last friday and pulled down a 5# bag of flour off the counter, and proceeded to tear it apart and spread it ALL OVER the house. After 2 hours of cleaning up the floors, most of which had a flour and water mixture which we all know makes PASTE! It appears they had emptied their water bowl and dribbled water all through the flour! Of course, eating flour will make you very thirsty so the next project was cleaning up their beards, paws and of all things thier tails. I guess they decided to lay in the flour and they were just so happy with themselves, they swished their tails back and forth in the wet flour too!!!!
Some of the dough balls were so deep and thick in their beards, I finally just started trimming beards and chins to get it out. It was thick in between their toe pads and as hard as dried paste would be.
I figured no harm though as I've never heard of an adverse reaction to flour, but then, no one on DK probably ever had this happen yet either. I fed them dinner as usual, we all go to bed and Murphy wakes up at 2:00 AM vomiting. Then the diarrhea started the next morning, and he ate breakfast (Now rice and boiled Chix) as usual, but then have runny stools and vomit dinner again, and then Sunday both he and Bella vomited late in the afternoon, and both had runny stools.
Monday, Bella is fine and Murphy vomits his breakfast twice, as he re-ate the first round, and then stools are fine and he keeps dinner down. Tues the same, and today the same. I gave him Pepto Bismol mon and tues after the morning vomits, so that might have helped keep his dinners down but I just don't get it. He is eating, drinking, has normal stools, is acting his old self, although he was a little whimpy on sat and sunday.
Can flour do anything to their stomachs that would cause this type of reaction so sporadically and without any other symptoms? I will try giving him the Pepto in the AM before breakfast tomorrow and give him just a little rice with some broth and see how it goes. Any other suggestions?
As for his birthday? Well, he still got pampered. He had a warm bath, and blow dry and a nice long doggy massage that he just melted into the floor while I did it. So not so bad for a birthday after all.
UPDATE:
Murphy did get sick with his morning meal and waited about 30 minutes and tried a little rice with broth, just so he wasn't hungry or have an empty stomach. He took that fine and has maintained it so far today. The Vet suggested Pepcid and even smaller, frequent meals of the chicken and rice, or even just the rice and broth for a few more days and watch. Of course she suggested blood work and tests for other things it could be, but he is stooling fine and drinking as usual, so I see no need for that as yet. Karen in her great wisdom suggested wheat intolerance, and that actually makes sense since he never gets wheat products. So we shall wait and see what the next few mornings bring and go from there. I will take him in if things change or if it continues for much longer. Thank you all for thinking of him.
UPDATE #2 DEC.21
I gave Murphy the Pepcid thurs night and friday morning. I waited one hour to feed breakfast and he did great. Chicken and rice stayed down. DH gave him dinner and that was fine as well, and did not give him a pepcid, but dinner really hasnt been the issue. DH, or I will call him Dr.DH said "he doesnt need pepcid, he's fine". So I didn't give it this morning......HOW STUPID AM I FOR LISTENING?????
So a few minutes after breakfast, he vomited it all again this morning. He got his Pepcid after that and will until I can get him to the Vet on monday as Im thinking I need some tests now. It;s been 8 days of vomiting. I can't imagine it's wheat sensitivity any longer. Otherwise, all is well and he is drinking, playing, pooping normally. What a strange thing.
UPDATE #3 DEC.26
We have had Murphy on Pepcid for one week today. He does well with his morning meals as long as he gets it beforehand and now we realized on tues night that he can get sick with dinner too, so we give the Pepcid every 12 hours. He had not been having a problem with his evening meal so we stopped giving the Pepcid twice a day, a few days beforehand, but he just wasnt quite ready for that to happen. He ate the flour on Dec. 13th, so it will be 2 weeks tomorrow and saturday will be 2 weeks of vomiting. He still is otherwise just fine in every other observable way.
FINAL UPDATE Jan 1
We stopped giving the Pepcid on Monday, dec 30 to test the waters and see if we needed to take him to the Vet for his Tues morning appt. He ate his regular kibble on monday, both meals and retained it just fine. Same with Tues morning and evening and this morning. I did cancel the Vet appt. as the problem seems to have resolved with the Pepcid and chicken and rice and small meals. Unless it happens again, I am going to chalk it up a Wheat overload and intolerance with ensuing GI inflammation. If it does reappear, I will just take him in as then I will know it is an ongoing problem and he will need a treatment plan. Thanks again everyone. All your suggestions and support helped us through this little dilemma .
But not this year. He and Bella did a bad thing last friday and pulled down a 5# bag of flour off the counter, and proceeded to tear it apart and spread it ALL OVER the house. After 2 hours of cleaning up the floors, most of which had a flour and water mixture which we all know makes PASTE! It appears they had emptied their water bowl and dribbled water all through the flour! Of course, eating flour will make you very thirsty so the next project was cleaning up their beards, paws and of all things thier tails. I guess they decided to lay in the flour and they were just so happy with themselves, they swished their tails back and forth in the wet flour too!!!!
Some of the dough balls were so deep and thick in their beards, I finally just started trimming beards and chins to get it out. It was thick in between their toe pads and as hard as dried paste would be.
I figured no harm though as I've never heard of an adverse reaction to flour, but then, no one on DK probably ever had this happen yet either. I fed them dinner as usual, we all go to bed and Murphy wakes up at 2:00 AM vomiting. Then the diarrhea started the next morning, and he ate breakfast (Now rice and boiled Chix) as usual, but then have runny stools and vomit dinner again, and then Sunday both he and Bella vomited late in the afternoon, and both had runny stools.
Monday, Bella is fine and Murphy vomits his breakfast twice, as he re-ate the first round, and then stools are fine and he keeps dinner down. Tues the same, and today the same. I gave him Pepto Bismol mon and tues after the morning vomits, so that might have helped keep his dinners down but I just don't get it. He is eating, drinking, has normal stools, is acting his old self, although he was a little whimpy on sat and sunday.
Can flour do anything to their stomachs that would cause this type of reaction so sporadically and without any other symptoms? I will try giving him the Pepto in the AM before breakfast tomorrow and give him just a little rice with some broth and see how it goes. Any other suggestions?
As for his birthday? Well, he still got pampered. He had a warm bath, and blow dry and a nice long doggy massage that he just melted into the floor while I did it. So not so bad for a birthday after all.
UPDATE:
Murphy did get sick with his morning meal and waited about 30 minutes and tried a little rice with broth, just so he wasn't hungry or have an empty stomach. He took that fine and has maintained it so far today. The Vet suggested Pepcid and even smaller, frequent meals of the chicken and rice, or even just the rice and broth for a few more days and watch. Of course she suggested blood work and tests for other things it could be, but he is stooling fine and drinking as usual, so I see no need for that as yet. Karen in her great wisdom suggested wheat intolerance, and that actually makes sense since he never gets wheat products. So we shall wait and see what the next few mornings bring and go from there. I will take him in if things change or if it continues for much longer. Thank you all for thinking of him.
UPDATE #2 DEC.21
I gave Murphy the Pepcid thurs night and friday morning. I waited one hour to feed breakfast and he did great. Chicken and rice stayed down. DH gave him dinner and that was fine as well, and did not give him a pepcid, but dinner really hasnt been the issue. DH, or I will call him Dr.DH said "he doesnt need pepcid, he's fine". So I didn't give it this morning......HOW STUPID AM I FOR LISTENING?????
So a few minutes after breakfast, he vomited it all again this morning. He got his Pepcid after that and will until I can get him to the Vet on monday as Im thinking I need some tests now. It;s been 8 days of vomiting. I can't imagine it's wheat sensitivity any longer. Otherwise, all is well and he is drinking, playing, pooping normally. What a strange thing.
UPDATE #3 DEC.26
We have had Murphy on Pepcid for one week today. He does well with his morning meals as long as he gets it beforehand and now we realized on tues night that he can get sick with dinner too, so we give the Pepcid every 12 hours. He had not been having a problem with his evening meal so we stopped giving the Pepcid twice a day, a few days beforehand, but he just wasnt quite ready for that to happen. He ate the flour on Dec. 13th, so it will be 2 weeks tomorrow and saturday will be 2 weeks of vomiting. He still is otherwise just fine in every other observable way.
FINAL UPDATE Jan 1
We stopped giving the Pepcid on Monday, dec 30 to test the waters and see if we needed to take him to the Vet for his Tues morning appt. He ate his regular kibble on monday, both meals and retained it just fine. Same with Tues morning and evening and this morning. I did cancel the Vet appt. as the problem seems to have resolved with the Pepcid and chicken and rice and small meals. Unless it happens again, I am going to chalk it up a Wheat overload and intolerance with ensuing GI inflammation. If it does reappear, I will just take him in as then I will know it is an ongoing problem and he will need a treatment plan. Thanks again everyone. All your suggestions and support helped us through this little dilemma .
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Permalink Reply by Sue, Murphy and Bella ()*o*() on
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Thanks Karen, I did give him the Pepcid and will give him a dose about an hour before breakfast tomorrow and see if this helps. I am going to see what the next few days bring and watch him closely. One of us is home for the next 9 days so no change will go unnoticed. Pancreatitis only makes sense if he ate something else and I don't think anything else was on the counter, or at least im not missing anything. The only treats they have had in many months is dried liver or sweet potatoes that I make myself so no wheat there. It does seem as though it was quite a dose of flour, judging from their faces and paws. So the wheat intolerance makes the most sense.
I just went to his pet supply store so unless you are certain enzymes would help, i think I will wait on those too. Going into the weekend and Holiday makes me a little anxious, but my Vet does make emergency visits to her office if needed so there is always familiar help available if needed. Maybe I should go get the Magic RX food they sell and see if that cures him!! NOT!!!
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Permalink Reply by Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle on
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The enzymes would only help IF the issues are in fact caused by a wheat intolerance and IF that intolerance was due to an enzyme deficiency. Couple of big "IFs" there, lol.
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Permalink Reply by Ginny Nightingale on
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UGH!!! Sounds horrible! Hope everyone is feeling fine tomorrow--what a mess!
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Permalink Reply by Ricki and Tara (doodle) on
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Doodles gone wild!!! Good grief what's gotten in to those two? LOL! I mean besides flour! :)
Happy Birthday to both of you! I hope everyone is feeling better very soon and that your house makes a full recover too!
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Permalink Reply by Kyoko on
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OMGoodness. So sorry but I kept cracking up s I read it...!!!
Happy Birthday to both of you~ I hope the Murphy and Bella continue to feel better!!!
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Thank you and its okay to laugh! I would have too if I wasnt on the verge of tears and disbelief!
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Permalink Reply by Pat and Traveler on
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OMD!! I can only imagine the mess! Love the way you described it, "they were just so happy with themselves, they swished their tails back and forth in the wet flour..." Dang--that's just hilarious, in a laughing through the tears kind of way. It's certainly a birthday to remember! Hope Murphy feels better by now, and you can celebrate your own birthday a little later in the week.
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Permalink Reply by DJ & Chance on
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OMD, what an ordeal, but I am glad that Murphy enjoyed being pampered on his birthday.
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Permalink Reply by Judy, Meg & Polly Wolly Doodle on
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Just came back from making sure the flour is out of reach at our house, can't imagine what a surprise that was to you. Hope Murphy is doing better. Hope the birthday was as good for you as it was for Murphy.
BTW...if I go to the Dogshaming sight will I see pictures?
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Ha, if I was more camera and internet savvy, it would have been a great Dogshaming post. I can't do much from my ipad so I tend to not even try anymore. Maybe when I get a new laptop with more capabilities I will get back into posting pictures, as these two keep me entertained (if you can call 2 hours of cleaning the floor "entertaining")
Yes, keep the flour out of reach!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Lucy & AnnaBelle's Mom on
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I can't even imagine the mess! I'm really surprised that it didn't just get up their nose and make them sneeze continuously and want to run away from the stuff rather than plan in it! I fear my first thoughts might have been "what is that DRC website address". You are a wonderful doodle Mom! Glad this is all behind you and hopefully Murphy is on the mend this morning.
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Ahhh, I think you just solved the splatherings of "dough balls" all over my cabinets and furniture. They must have sneezed wet flour balls out !!! They did have some flour stuck around their noses as well when I went to clean them. They had dough boogies in their noses too.
I have to admit I was constructing my "Two doodles need to be REHOMED NOW " post on DK in my head during the 2 hours of mopping, vacuuming, and mopping and vacuuming! But I honestly like all of you too much to inflict these two on anyone!! Looks like Im stuck with them and their shenanigans for life!!!!! ( not a bad thing at all)
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