Where's the Poodle in my Doodle?

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Comment by Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie on January 9, 2019 at 4:59pm

Thanks for educating me on this, Ronna. I assumed that an ALD  breeder would not use a dog that didn't carry the gene for facial furnishings since they are breeding ALDs. My ignorance.   I agree, J, that a breeder promising no shedding could be a little over marketing.  I still say that an open-faced doodle should be discounted.

Comment by J and Riley (and Luna) on January 9, 2019 at 10:40am

I think the red flag for me is more that the breeder is promising a non-shedding dog even though the dog doesn't look very curly.  Even with a curly-coated dog you can't promise it won't shed unless it's a purebred non-shedding dog from a reputable breeder.  With mixes you can just never be 100% sure.

Comment by Ronna, Murphy & Wilson on January 9, 2019 at 10:21am

Comment by Ronna, Murphy & Wilson on January 9, 2019 at 10:14am

I don’t see why the gene for furnishings would have anything to do with shedding. Coopers parents were both multigenerational labradoodles and the dad that carried the open face gene was only a carrier. He wasn’t open face, was very doodley, and he did not shed. Cooper he all the great characteristics just no furnishings 

Comment by Ronna, Murphy & Wilson on January 9, 2019 at 10:06am

Nancy, our breeder was using a stud she knew to carry the gene as the occurrence was so infrequent and he was the picture of health and carries the red coat genes. He passed all of his genetic health tests for hips, eyes, heart. I only know of one of his puppies that is actually open faced and my friend owns him and he has all of the doodle personality, temperament and smarts.... just no furnishings. He looks exactly like the red one posted. I do not think it is a red flag especially since the breeder is not trying to hide it in any way. Cooper was the perfect doodle for my friend as they didn’t want a doodley looking dog. 

Comment by Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie on January 9, 2019 at 8:37am

Here is a big red flag for me— there are genes for facial furnishings. Your breeder is using a dog without those genes as a breeding dog if she has this situation occur with any regularity. Other photo is also one of hers, right ( I’m in love with that one because I adore Springer Spaniels and it reminds me of them)?  Multigenerational ALD breeders are breeding for very ‘Doodle-looking’ dogs. I’d want to make sure the breeder did health testing and wasn’t a puppy mill or backyard breeder. If everything checked out then the pup you choose is the pup you want. I I can’t tell whether the pup you are considering will have a traditional doodle look or not. If non-shedding, traditional doodle look and no dog smell is important to you, I’d do more breeder checking before making a decision. PS an open face and/or a flat coat should bring the purchase price way, way down. Multigenerational ALDs are usually priced much higher that other doodles. 

Comment by J and Riley (and Luna) on January 9, 2019 at 8:20am

She looks a LOT like our Luna did as a puppy (minus the colour).  :)  Super cute.

Comment by Chabrielle on January 9, 2019 at 6:32am

I thought I would take a moment and update Lola May's progress since the summer. Our hunch was that she would be pretty flat coated and we were right. you would never know that she is a F1b as you can barely see any poodle in her, besides her long legs and the shape of her face. Most people think that she is a Irish Setter. Although I will admit that I was disappointed as I really wanted that teddy bear look, I do not think that she sheds all that much, which I am so happy about. (I do brush her everyday and took a picture of the brush I just did for reference. Maybe this is a lot to some people, but I do not have hair all over my house and that is all I care about.) I did keep her short because I was worried about it, but have started to let her grow out because she is just so soft! She has a lot of sway to her fur and on her legs she has this cute little peach fuzz for some reason. I wish we could say we have had an easy time with her, but we have invested an enormous amount of time into her anxious behavior and are starting to see a lot of improvement as we come out of the full on puppy stage. The last picture I was trying to get her to stand up, but the girl just loves to cuddle so much I couldn't get her off my lap. 

Comment by Jacqueline on January 9, 2019 at 6:15am

Thank you all, so helpful!! This puppy isn’t for me, and I’ll start looking into poodles. So very grateful for everyone’s input!

Comment by J and Riley (and Luna) on January 9, 2019 at 4:42am

Interesting Ronna that busts my theory.. I still think most open faced flat coated doodles would shed.

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