If they are letting you see the parents, is it still a puppy mill??

[Sam&Bella]

We are thinking of adding another doodle to the pack, a bernedoodle or a sheepadoodle. The only ones I can find are in the amish country. We called them and ask if they had shots and If if we can meet the parents. She said that they are both here for you to meet. We are going up there on the weekend to go see them. I looked up the breeder and I only found that breed of dog. So far I am think that they are not a puppy mill because they are being so open. Now, I know that all amish people who breed dogs don't have puppy mills but I still want t be safe.

Sam

[Sam&Bella]

Probably not because they want to be as secretive as possible.  I've heard that some of them even give you fake vaccine papers.

[Sam&Bella]

OOPS! I just realized that there are mistakes in the  Discussion. I wrote that  when I first woke up and, was rushing... Sorry!

[Amy and Annabelle]

You can go back and edit the main discussion.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Pennsylvania list of mills closed or closing because of stricter laws there, but guess where they're heading where there are no limits and laws are bare minimum! Of course it's NYS! 
The new regulations are working thankfully and more dogs will be saved from living in these awful places.
Announced in newspaper:
KENNELS CLOSED OR CLOSING 2013:
Following are the Lancaster County kennels that have closed, or have informed the state that they will close. The dates of closings are included:
• Allowed 51-100 dogs a year:
—Rocky View Kennel, John L. Stoltzfus, Oct. 8.
—S&S Kennel, Samuel S. Esh, Oct. 8.
—Meadow View Kennel, Menno and Ruth Miller, Oct. 9.
—Country Haven Kennels, Alvin Beiler, Oct. 9.
—Lamar M. Hoover Kennel, Lamar Hoover, date not listed.
—Eugene M. Brubaker Kennel, Eugene M. Brubaker, Dec. 31.
—Eli S. King Kennel, Eli S. King, Dec. 31.
—Conestoga Kennel, Paul Zimmerman, Nov. 13.
—Locust Lane, John Beiler, Dec. 31.
—Windy Pine Kennel, Leonard Newswanger, Dec. 31.
• Allowed 101-150 dogs a year:
—Pequea Kennel, Jonas S. Beiler, Oct. 8.
—Stoney Pastures Puppy Haven, Steve M. Stoltzfus, Oct. 9.
—Chiques Rock Kennel, Henry U. Stoltzfus, Oct. 8.
—Kevin L. Nolt Kennel, Kevin L. Nolt, Dec. 31.
—Creekside Kennel, John B. King, Dec. 31.
—J. Omar Stoltzfus, J. Omar Stoltzfus, Oct. 9.
—Ivan Ray Weaver Kennel, Ivan Ray Weaver, Dec. 28.
—Noah and Edna Martin, Noah and Edna Martin, Nov. 20.
—Garden Spot Kennel, Allen M. Zimmerman, Dec. 20.
• Allowed 151-250 dogs a year:
—Buck View Farm, Samuel B. Zook, Oct. 8.
—Meadow Brook Kennel, Annie S. and Jonathan S. Esh, Dec. 31.
—John Mark Lapp Kennel, John Mark Lapp, Dec. 31.
—Belmont Ridge Kennels, Joseph K. Fisher, Oct. 26.
—S&M Happy Kennel, Stephen S. Stoltzfus, Oct. 9.
—Elmer S. Fisher Kennel, Elmer S. Fisher, Dec. 31.
—Wilmer's Kennel, Wilmer Stoltzfus, Dec. 31.
—Glen and Janice Snyder Kennel, Glenn and Janice Snyder, Dec. 31.
—Kauffman's Kennel, Bennie E. Kauffman, Dec. 31.
—P-E Kennel, Paul D. Zeiset, Dec. 31.
• Allowed 251-500 dogs a year:
—EZ Puppies, Edwin and Anna H. Zeiset, Oct. 9.
—Willow Vale Kennel, Rebecca L. Horning, Oct. 26.
—Sun Shine Kennel, David M. Zimmerman, Dec. 31.
—Creek View Kennel, Mary Horst, Oct. 31.
—James S. Zimmerman Kennel, James S. Zimmerman, Dec. 31.
—Hilltop Kennel, Verna Mae King, Dec. 15.
—Country Boy Kennel, Jonas J. Esch, Dec. 15.
—Twin Maple Farm, John E. Esh, Dec. 31.
—Hidden Acres Kennel, Irvin Horst, Dec. 31.
—M&M Kennel, Marlin Wenger, mid-May.
—Marvin W. Zimmerman Kennel, Marvin W. Zimmerman, Nov. 12.
—Rocky Ridge Kennel, John Stoltzfus, Dec. 31.
—Pine Hill Kennel, Daniel Stoltzfus, Dec. 31.
—David S. Zimmerman, David S. Zimmerman, Dec. 31.
—Mountain Side Kennel, Edwin Shirk, Nov. 24.
—Gold Kennels, Aquilla and Leah Blank, Dec. 31.
—Horseshoe Kennel, Elam K. Beiler, Dec. 31.
• Allowed 501 or more dogs a year:
—Napierville Kennel, Nathan L. and Anna Martin, mid-end of December.
—Amos Stoltzfus Kennel, Amos S. Stoltzfus, Dec. 31.
—John S. Fisher Kennel, John S. Fisher, D(( jaec. 31.
—Myer Kennels Inc., Nathan Myer, Dec. 31.
—Levi Stoltzfus Kennel, Levi S. Stoltzfus, Dec. 31.

[Amy and Annabelle]

A lot of Stoltzfus's. Before I got Annabelle I used to see that name all the time on Greenfield, then I wised up.

[Laurie, Fudge, and Vern]

Why go and see them at all? This is another way they get you. You see a cute puppy and the sellers are so nice and you just have to take the puppy home. I lived near Lancaster, PA, and it is one of the most known puppy mill cities in the USA. You can go and report them and little will come of it. The only way to stop these breeders is if no one gives them any business. 

[Nancy]

BIG RED FLAG!!!!! They have all kinds of breeds!!!  Definitely a puppy mill :(

[Amy and Annabelle]

The being in 4 different states was a big red flag for me as well. I agree, I wouldn't even go. You may come home with a puppy without realizing what just happened. If you go, don't take any money with you.

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

The website itself is a broker site for puppy mills. The ads are for many different Amish breeders in many locations. Greenfield is the same, and there are others. In general, if the breeder doesn't have their own site, and advertises on the broker sites, that in itself is a huge red flag. 

[Karen, Jasper and Jackdoodle]

Amen. No reason to go. It's a puppy mill, and the parents have not had genetic health testing done. Considering that Bernese Mountain Dogs have one of the shortest life expectancies of any breed out there, you want to at least make sure that the parents have had the appropriate testing done. 

[charlotte bednarsh]

There are so many Doodlekisses members who can provide you with the names of ethical breeders if you private message them.   I looked at the website you provided, and would run in the opposite direction as fast as I could.   I would hesitate to even visit them, because it is so hard to look at a puppy and leave.

[Sam&Bella]

Thank you so much everyone! I have one more question? Is it okay if a "breeder" breeds  more than one breed?(that was an odd sentence..) If it is, how many??