Australian Labradoodles

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Comment by Cheryl and Finnegan on July 13, 2012 at 5:38am

Thanks Carolyn. Yes, with all the controversy surrounding RM and TP, it's hard to figure out what's really been going on "down under." A lot of it is very disturbing. Even today, the president of the (yet again) new association BM's aligned herself with says there is NO physical Rutland Manor, no breeding any more--just an elderly lady with her 5 personal dogs.  But RM's website has puppies for sale and BM is blogging away. Huh??  Just  to be clear though- there are good caring breeders here in the US who retested the dogs they imported as part of their breeding program and have spay/neutered dogs that failed certain tests --often at great cost to themselves.  They are responsible breeders working to improve the beautiful, lovable, multigen ALD. I can't say enough good things about Finnegan's breeder so I'm really hopeful for the future of the ALD here in America.  No video of Oscar and rug but I'm going to try to get one of Oscar walking my dog, Finnegan. Seriously. That's how he stops Finney from bouncing all over him. He takes his leash in his mouth and calmly walks FInn up and down the hallway at the office.  Finney heels much better for Oscar than for me LOL. Like I said, smart!!  

Comment by Carolyn Shusterman on July 12, 2012 at 10:15pm

Cheryl, GREAT note.  Laughed out loud at the rug incident, what a funny video  it would have created.  Disturbing health news about Bev and her (and our) ALD's. 

Comment by Cheryl and Finnegan on July 12, 2012 at 9:03pm

Scott, thank you.  Kiley's report was really interesting.  It's not surprising that lab genes are scarce in the Rutland Manor and Tegan Park lines. Rutland Manor says that they moved away from the lab crosses early on because the dogs were too heavy on the forehand causing skeletal problems, crazy active, and hard to control making them unsuitable as pets. My friend has a first generation true lab x poodle cross.  Oscar is an awesome and scary smart dog, but he was all of the above until he reached 3 years of age.  He went to "boot camp" 3 times and I fondly remember the time the 2 of us tried to get a 4' x 6 ' heavy oriental carpet out of his mouth -- all of it! LOL. SO I find that statement believable. Manners claims she kept breeding back to poodles so heavily that she got back to a dog that was mostly poodle. Then she started to infuse with American and English cocker and a couple of other breeds.  Unfortunately, despite the wonderful story she tells, she seems to have no pedigree records of the dogs she bred and what I find more disturbing, no health records. There's been some pretty compelling evidence that Tegan Park purchased dogs of unknown lineage for breeding from pounds and puppy farms.  Although it's tough to speculate about these two mysterious breeding facilities, it looks to me like Manners at least was breeding for a non-shedding, fleecy, intuitive dog. And I think she produced the beginnings of a consistent multigen ALD.

I adore my ALD.  Finnegan is hands down the best dog who has ever owned me.  But what I thought was a lab-poodle cross, I now consider my "mystery" ALD. That's ok with me, but the Rutland Manor and Tegan Park dogs that dominate his "pedigree" cause me a lot of concern over future health issues. 

  

Comment by Carolyn Shusterman on July 12, 2012 at 7:32pm

Scott, TY for the information you have given us on Kiley's  DNA Results.  I printed all 5 pages and  found it very interesting.  I had never seen a DNA report that listed breeds. 

Comment by Joanie on July 12, 2012 at 10:20am

@Scott - I think it was a little easier for me.  One side of Lani's parentage was straight from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor.  That whole side was Australian Labradoodle and eventually poodle.  Lani's other side of her parentage were not Tegan Park and Rutland Manor lines, or at least if they were they were very far back.  So by following those lines I was able to trace straight to the labrador and find that connection.  So, I guess if you have a Multi-Gen ALD with just Tegan Park and Rutland Manor lines it would be very hard.

Comment by Ricki and Tara (doodle) on July 12, 2012 at 10:15am

Scott, I had Tara tested a few years ago too. No lab genes showed up at all in her but I think there may have been some improvements in the testing since that time. Wisdom Insight's rep told me then that their tests are not accurate when the "mixing" involves numerous generations as it does in the ALD's.  Here is a link to the discussion:

http://www.doodlekisses.com/forum/topics/genetic-testing?groupUrl=a...

Comment by Scott Morton on July 12, 2012 at 10:03am

@Joanie.  My Kiley also has the same tegan park/rutland manor connections, but how do you find the lab connections then?  I have my dam/sire "roadmap" attached ")...Kiley's (dam's Pedagree) and Kiley's (Sire Pedagree) .  Maybe I should try and trace it back.  Is there  a easy way to do this?

Comment by Joanie on July 12, 2012 at 9:34am

@Scott - I don't believe that's true for all Multi-Gen ALD's.  My Lani is a Multi-Gen ALD with direct lines from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor and I was actually able to find the Labrador connection.  I know for some Multi-Gen's it's a lot harder, but there are ones out there that you are able to find the exact connection.

Comment by Scott Morton on July 12, 2012 at 8:13am

Kiley's DNA Results File from Wisdom Panel

@Carolyn Shusterma I have heard that Multi Gen ALD's tend to get the lab bred out of them since breeders are always trying to go for a certain hair type and low shed.  Sounds plausible.

Comment by Carolyn Shusterman on July 11, 2012 at 4:21pm

Scott, Welcome to the ALD group.  Kiley's DNA was most interesting. I wonder how many ALD's do have Lab genes in their DNA?  Hershey's parents DNA Profile's only showed numbers no breeds.  Where did you get your DNA work done?  

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