Labradoodle & Goldendoodle Forum
Ive looked around and Found that a multi-gen labradoodle or a multi-gen Australian labradoodle might be my best bet as far as my allergies go.I think the multi-gen Australian labradoodle is an even better bet than the Multi-gen labradoodle but i know there are no guarntees for my allergies.I think i have a better chance with these labradoodles than any other though.My question is. Why did they use the cocker spaniel in the making of the Australian labradoodle?.They can have a lot of health issues.What did they contribute to the Australian labradoodle.What was the benefit of using the cocker spaniel?
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Jared, I can't answer the question regarding Cocker Spaniels in an ALD but having read your other post I was going to write you and suggest an ALD. Rooney is an ALD and he does not shed at all - nothing, also no dander that I have ever seen. Stuart my f1 does shed some, not a ton but he does shed. If you want to know who Rooney's breeder is send me a private message and I'll get you her info. She is one of the premier breeders of ALDs in the country and yes there is a wait list, but not 3 years. She will never claim that her dogs are hypoallergeticc, I can't believe that any good breeder would make such a claim.
Sent you the info to your page and also in a message. I think that ALDs have Australian Shepard in them - not sure about the cocker spaniel but if so it would be such a small percentage. Rooney is 6th generation directly from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor stock (don't get that discussion started - lol). He comes from a breeder that has more designations for breeding ALDs that most any other due to their EXTENSIVE health testing.
My ALD is a 6th Generation and he doesn't shed, not a bit and as for dander, I've never seen any. I did have to wait a year for him but that's because these dogs are very rare here and I wanted a puppy from these particular parents.
I am not in the slightest bit worried about Cocker Spaniel somewhere in the past of the breed or in fact any others. I love the look and temperament of my dog and for me the fact that he doesn't shed is an absolute bonus. I have an extensive health warranty and saw all the health checks from Riley's parents. If you go to a reputable breeder. (see Jane's reply below) then you will be taking out lots of the variables that come into play. I am pretty sure (by a good guess lol) I know who Jane's breeder is and the website is awesome with lots of information and videos. If I lived within a days drive from her that's where I would be headed. All breeds have their problems, it's all about doing your homework and after that hopefully you will end up with a healthy dog that is right for you.
I think when we have the breeds mixed together it helps lessen the chances of health issues. With certain breeds the health issues tend to come from over breeding. Hope this helps! BTW... we have an Australian Labradoodle and my husband has allergies. He has had no issues. She doesn't shed a BIT, unless she is being brushed and haven't noticed any dander. The breeder that we got Rosie from was well aware that some labradoodles shed more than others and directed us to the right dog. We got Rosie from Lauderdoodles in Ohio. Good luck with your decision.
Guinness is my mini ALD, and he does not shed at all. I believe that the original ALDs included five or six breeds which included Irish Water Spaniels and Cockers. My breeder did a cockapoo infusion two generations prior to Guinness's litter. I believe she said this was for size and also temperament. I don't worry about the potential health issues. There are health risks with every breed that I know of.
I should have stated that I don't worry about the health issues just because of the Cocker Spaniel infusion. I don't worry with my older dog because he came from a great breeder who did fully health screen her breeding dogs. As for my rescue, I do worry because I'm not sure what health screening may have been done on his parents, but again my concern is not just with the Cocker infusion.
I have an ALD from a breeder here on DK. Cooper doesnt shed, barely mats, has a fantastic temperament, and I get continued support from my breeder. I think the mix of other breeds has helped in creating a much more healthy "breed"
And at least $2500, not that price is the issue.
Something about bone structure, remember Adina responded on this.
And again, it is not about "shedding" it's about dander.
The issues of inbreeding and line breeding is actually an ethics issue of the individual breeder not the age of the "breed." breeders need to do their research to make sure that they are not breeding closely related dogs. This can and does happen in labradoodle lines - both American and ALD. If it is a concern, it is something that you should talk to the breeder about and ask to see the pedigree of the parents - at least 3 generations back.
To thoroughly confuse or clarify the following link is the grading scheme used by the ALAA for labradoodles and ALDs and it explains what dogs go into the mix for ALDs and the generation designations for Labradoodles
http://www.ilainc.com/PDF/Grading%20SchemeCorrected2011.pdf
A dog can only be as healthy as the genes it got allows it to be. With or without a cocker infusion any labradoodle can be riddled with health problems if its breeding wasn't good (even without inbreeding). Heterosis I think only works its magic statistically in a large population when dogs breed on their own without the influence of people to mess things up. But, for example, take a labrador with allergy issues and epilepsy in its line and mate it with a poodle that has similar and you won't magically get rid of both diseases because the breeds were different--after all they are still canine familiaris and not two different species.
Tara is a mini ALD and I agree with what has been said here regarding a dog's health being based on breeding standards and practices as opposed to breed itself. Tara came with a 2 year health guarantee from her breeder. She does not shed and has no dander. I am allergic to dogs but have never reacted to her. I have heard that one of the reasons that Cocker Spaniel was introduced into the line was to help achieve the desired coat characteristics.
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