Where is the "Leave DK Forever" Button

[Jane, Rooney & Stuart]

Guys - I'm outta here - where is that button - I saw it once and now can't find it.  Rooney and I have made some wonderful friends here but this issue over cats - I don't want to be a part of anything that places a lesser value on cats than dogs and DON'T even go their - re-read your posts and oh yes you did.  We have two doodles trying to kill a kitty and NOT a one of you is calling the owner to task.  Oh my it would be too hard to close the dog door, too hard to train your animals.  A bunch of hypocites - "don't BYB, don't just give your dog away" blah blah -  but I guess when it comes to cats - tough poo.  Well, as a dog lover and a cat lover, DK is no longer the place for me to spend my time.  Where is that button?*************Clarification*************

I am going to try to clarify a few things in regards to this post and the the post about the cat.

1.  The poster had 2 doodles that have unlimited access through a dog door to the yard where 2 cats live outdoors.  The dogs had tried to kill the youngest & smallest cat. 

2.  The majority of responders thought she should "re-home" the cat.  I tried to say that this was a training issue - not a "re-homing" issue.  That a cat (even an outdoor cat) is NOT a disposable item.  Cats like dogs have attachments to their family and that to just assume that getting rid of the cat would solve the problem didn't make sense.

3.  I did not have any comment about the cat living outdoors other than to say in response to another poster that I would not have it living outdoors myself.  I, having lived on a farm am used to outdoor animals and the cat living outdoors wasn't even an issue to me.

4. I wasn't attacking anyone - but I became the attacked for pointing out that this cat has value as a family member too and that why do these dogs deserve un-limited access to the yard if they are not trained/supervised.  Then I feel that my honesty was being called into question by one poster.

Once again I will say - that if this person doesn't train their dogs that cats are not prey - and I'm setting in the Vet's office waiting room with my cat, harnessed and leashed setting on my lap when those 2 dogs come through the front door - what then?

The fact of the matter is - the owner doesn't want to put the time and engery into supervising these dogs outdoors, starting with the obvious - shutting the dog door - and no one wanted to be honest and point that out, the simple way is to just re-home a cat.  Which by the way - might not even be possible, there isn't exactly a shortage of cats around.  It is very sad that we hold ourselves to a high standard here on DK in regards to our doodles but are other animals not worthy?  And yes I have a cat, that was a rescue and I'm not even a cat lover, I'm allergic.  But I believe the moment that I kept that kitten from being hit by a car - I had a responsability to it, like this owner has to her cat.  Hate to let some of you down - I'm no longer looking for that button, but a break is called for and my friend list is going to be shorter.

[Laurie, Fudge, and Vern]

Makes sense to me :)

[Camilla and Darwin]

Jane, I agree with others that you should reconsider leaving. We all have disagreements, that will happen on a forum with so many people. We would certainly miss your input and stories about adorable Rooney. I think sometimes it's better to agree to disagree. If we all left when we disagreed with someone, there wouldnt' be anyone left! I think you should stay, and give your advice and point of view, we all value it.

[Joyce & Wilson]

GIve it a couple days on your feelings..I would miss you and your posts! : (

[Pat and Traveler]

I was wondering--what if the outside animal in this scenario was a doodle and the inside animals were, say, pythons, which could get outside and attack the doodle.  In that case, I'd certainly suggest rehoming the doodle, although I can't say that I personally would EVER have or want to have pythons as pets!  It would just seem like the safest and most reasonable thing to do, considering the doodle was in a crisis situation, and not knowing whether the pythons could be constrained at all times.  And really--what if there are cat haters or people who value dogs more highly than cats here on DK?  It's a diverse community--would you leave if someone valued dogs more highly than pythons?  Did any of this make sense?  LOL 

[Melissa & Porter]

Pat, makes sense to me. 

Rabbit is on the menu in many a restaurant, and my close friend grew up with a beloved pet rabbit.  Hard, right?  Cats and dogs are loved in this country by most people.  But some people think that is a pretty narrow view and they feel all animals deserve to live and not be eaten.  Why don't we love gentle, non-killing animals like cows more than hunters like cats and dogs, anyway? 

 

[Sue, Murphy and Bella ()*o*()]

Jane, I certainly understand your anger, however, if it worth loosing all you enjoy about DK and all that enjoy you for a few people? I did not see the posts, so am in the dark here, but how many people were involved in the discussion? 10? 20? even 50 would be a small number of all the wonderful people here. I do hope you will reconsider and I know I would miss your great stories and posts about Rooney. We all learn so much from eachother, and I am sure you have opened a few eyes regarding this subject. But if you leave, you no longer will be able to help make a difference for dogs and cats.

Please sleep on it?

[Kaytlin and Cooper]

I did not see the post and I gather it has been deleted. I hope you dont leave Jane. I for one love cats - I have 3 cats and 1 dog and would not put more value on Coopers life than Merry Pippin and Legolas.

[shelly]

NO! NO! NO! Jane!!! 

:o(

I haven't really been on much .... I don't recall a post about a cat, but please don't let the opinion of some send you away!  There were many times when I didn't like what was being said and I just mumbled under my breath and moved on.  I hope you will reconsider!  And HEY!  we have to see how your hair comes out, and we'll miss seeing Rooney! 

[Doris, Knox & Flash]

I'm just sad.  I loved reading about Rooney and all the adorable things he did. I'm going to miss her....

[Nancy, Ned, Clancy, and Charlie]

I missed the cat post so I have no idea what was posted or  the comments.  I am sorry you were offended.  You are right to take a stand for something you believe passionately about, but do you think all 7,000 dk members are cat haters from one discussion?  Take a break, but come back. I have learned so much about people and their similarities and differences just from being a member of dk.  I also think that if I wanted to take a cross-country trip, I would have a dk friend to visit in every town where I stopped.  Isn't that the coolest thing in the world?

[Nicky, Riley & Boris]

Jane, I haven't seen the post.  I am an animal lover.  That doesn't mean just doodles.   I have two adorable cats, I have had guinea pigs, rabbits and horses.  I hate the idea of anyone who does not respect cats and pokes fun at them  I have not seen the post that has upset you so I can't comment on it personally.  I would say to you however that I think you should stay here  (or come back if you have already gone) This is where you can say if something is wrong and debate the subject.  Lets talk---Don't walk.

[Jennifer Tramell]

Thank you for staying, Jane.  I was involved in the cat discussion and I was in support of Jane's opinion, perhaps I did not state it as clear as I should have.  My concern was for the poor cat.  It's been clear over several past discussions that the original poster has a couple of rambunctious pups and she needs help getting them trained.  I didn't want to offend her or scare her off because I knew that DK could be a help in her journey.  Honestly, I didn't have much confidence that the pups would be trained to a point of protecting the kitty's life and the image of 2 doodles pulling on a cat just made me want that cat out of there. 

I certainly see how it could appear to be hypocritcal but there have been posts where DKers have suggested that a doodle is rehome due to the owner's inability to handle a situation.  I believe that re-homing was suggested for that same reason.  My concern is that in a re-homing the odds of an outside cat finding a safe & secure home is not great. Outside cats are a pet-peeve of mine, anyway.  Many outside cats (at least in my old neighborhood) are allowed to do anything, go anywhere, and the owners have no accountability.  My front yard stunk because a neighborhood cat would use the bushes as a potty, but what if I let me dogs use someone's front yard as a potty place?